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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You have made a valid point about the choice that you would make—you would prefer the money that is being spent on the council tax freeze to be spent on addressing child poverty. Perhaps I or one of my colleagues can put that to the cabinet secretary.

On the capital front, you have said that we should reverse the reduction to the affordable housing budget, but how do you do that in the context of a £484 million reduction in capital?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It is easy to come along and say, “You should spend this amount on that and that amount on this,” but when you use words such as “brutal” to describe reductions in housing budgets and say that such reductions should be reversed, it is incumbent on you to say how they can be reversed. What should the Scottish Government not spend its capital funding on in order to fund the housing that you believe should be prioritised?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Fair enough. Basically, you are saying that you could take the money from the roads budget. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

In your paper, you talk a lot about taxation, including the Scottish Government’s decision to increase taxation for higher earners. For example, you say that the marginal rate for people earning £100,000 to £125,000 a year—69.5 per cent—is

“possibly the highest ... in any OECD country”.

The highest marginal rate is 55.5 per cent in Denmark, 42.2 per cent in France and 55.2 per cent in Sweden. Will the impact of that high rate in Scotland be positive, negative or a mix of the two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

When the Scottish Government has so few levers, how easy is it to take into account how many children there are in a family and all that kind of stuff?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Chris Birt, in the second-last paragraph of your written submission, you said:

“Economic growth will not solve poverty—government decisions to facilitate poverty reduction will.”

Surely we need economic growth to generate revenue in order to invest in anti-poverty programmes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

For the second part of our evidence session on scrutiny of the Scottish budget for 2024-25, I welcome Richard Robinson, senior manager, performance audit and best value, Audit Scotland; Dr Jenny Peachey, senior policy advocate, Carnegie UK; Shona Struthers, chief executive officer, Colleges Scotland; Stacey Dingwall, head of policy and external affairs in Scotland, Federation of Small Businesses; Martin Booth, executive director of finance, Glasgow City Council; Keir Greenaway, senior organiser for public services, GMB Scotland; Francesca Osowska, chief executive, NatureScot; and Kirsten Hogg, head of policy and research, Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations.

This is not going to be a case of me asking you all a load of questions. I will ask just one question to start with, which is for Stacey Dingwall first of all, after which people can come in with any comments either on what Stacey has said or to take the discussion in a different direction. We will not go through this with some kind of stultified theme approach; people can come in when they so wish on the issues that they wish to comment on. If we get stuck, I will drag somebody in to keep things moving.

Let us fire away. The first question is about something that we did not really touch on during the evidence session with the first panel of witnesses. The Deputy First Minister told the chamber that prioritising health spending has meant that the Government is less able to support the business sector. Stacey, what is the Federation of Small Businesses’ view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I suppose that the issue for the Scottish Government is where it could find the proportion of the £360 million. It already gives £685 million in non-domestic rates relief. Indeed—I am a member who represents islands—it increased rates relief for businesses on Scottish islands to 100 per cent, up to £110,000.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am talking about the numbers, not the policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I think that there is consensus on the need for prevention. The difficulty lies in deciding which expenditure we should reduce now in order to put money into prevention. We would struggle to get people to volunteer and say, “You know what? Maybe this segment of our budget shouldn’t be spent this year so that we can invest it for the future.” We have been debating this since at least 2011, and that has always been the difficulty.