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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, they have certainly all had increases in their resources in the current financial year, not least for staffing.

One of the issues for this committee is scrutiny by the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. In the responses that the committee has received—I am not going to quote any of those submissions because you probably will not have seen them—the commissioners all seem to feel that they are being sufficiently scrutinised. My understanding is that only one and a half, or possibly two, members of Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body staff are dedicated to scrutinising them. Are you familiar with the level of scrutiny? They all seem to be marking their own homework and saying, “Aye, the scrutiny that we are receiving is excellent.” Do you want to comment on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will finish with one issue that came up in your report. On page 13, you said:

“In Scotland there is a range of commissions and commissioners. However, there is very little published research on commissioners, and no handbook or blueprint within government for designing the role.”

Do you think that there should be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for giving your evidence. We will continue taking evidence for our inquiry into Scotland’s commissioner landscape at our next meeting, on Tuesday 23 April. Before that, we will discuss aspects of the issue in a private session.

As that was the only item on our agenda, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 10:28.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Paragraph 38 of your report states that, as has been mentioned,

“Coordination and cooperation by the UK and Scottish Governments will be required to succeed in reducing emissions.”

However, the two Governments might have different policy and spending priorities. Ultimately, therefore, Scotland will be at the mercy of those UK Government decisions, will it not? For example, a future UK Government might decide that it would rather spend the money somewhere else.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Why has it not been updated before now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that and for the interesting and sobering report. I should say that I am not particularly thrilled by the introduction of acronyms such as LULUCF, which means land use, land use change and forestry, although it is clearly important. As you have just pointed out, there is a disproportionate cost to Scotland compared to the cost to the rest of the UK. In paragraph 21 of the report, you point out that the cost in Scotland per person per year of the investment in mitigation is £207, whereas in the rest of the UK it is £149, which is a £58 difference. However, you point out that £54 of that £58 is simply because of land use, land use change and forestry.

Given that that is a huge additional burden to fall on Scotland over many years, should consideration be given to the devolved settlement through the block grant to take that into account?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have one more question before I open it up to colleagues around the table. When can we expect an updated financial memorandum with more accurate costings?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

But that would be unacceptable to the committee, so when can we have it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, indeed. There is 43 per cent public share in Scotland, which is quite a lot.

Colleagues want to come in, so I will ask a final question, which is regarding the offshore energy industry. Forty-three per cent of UK oil and gas jobs are located in Scotland, so what challenges does that present for moving to a just transition and net zero?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Definitions are also important. You have said:

“The UK and Scottish Governments should articulate their plans on how to achieve net zero and what level of public spending will be required.”

You go on to say:

“We recommend that spend on mitigation and adaptation be identifiable in budget documentation and outturn so that spending plans can be linked to delivered spending.”

How do we define what is spent on climate mitigation? There is a temptation for people to say that a job is a green job when it may be somewhat more tenuous to another eye, for example. Do you think that there must be agreement between Scotland and the UK on the language that is used, so that they are not talking about different things when looking at those aspects?