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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

At last week’s meeting, we heard from Sarah Watters from COSLA, who said:

“Not only is demand for services increasing because of all the crises that are out there—in social care, business support and all sorts of areas that local government touches—but the cost of providing services is huge because of inflationary pressures.”—[Official Report, COVID-19 Recovery Committee, 22 September 2022; c 2.]

Mairi Spowage referred—before it happened, obviously—to the “United Kingdom fiscal event” on 23 September, saying:

“There will be huge implications for the Scottish budget if the UK Government decides to fundamentally change taxes in England”,

which, as we know, is what happened. She went on to say:

“That could mean ... a boost ... to the Scottish budget envelope”,

but

“We do not know how much detail we are going to get about spending plans, which could obviously have consequentials. There is not only huge pressure, but huge uncertainty ... I worry about whether we will have enough detail to give more certainty to the Scottish Government and local government.”—[Official Report, COVID-19 Recovery Committee, 22 September 2022; c 6.]

The Chief Secretary to the Treasury, to whom I listened this morning, did not provide any more clarity, other than to say that spending decisions will be tight, regardless of the budget envelope that comes to the Scottish Government.

Could you expand on that issue, to help us to understand it?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

Last week, we also heard from Dr Lukas Hardt, who is the policy and engagement lead at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance Scotland. He stressed the importance of the Scottish Government’s using existing devolved tax powers to support provision of further services, and said that it might struggle to address inequalities

“within the funding envelope that it has set out”.

He also said:

“I am a bit surprised that such limitations on funding are so readily accepted, given the powers of the Scottish Government—for example, its devolved power over local taxes. There are possibilities for thinking outside the box ... and ... challenging the idea, ‘This is the money we have’.”—[Official Report, COVID-19 Recovery Committee, 22 September 2022; c 5.]

Are there areas in which you are not thinking outside the box?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

Do you mean that the UK Government might need to reverse it?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

When you say that that tax position will not hold, can you explain what you mean?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

Dr Hardt also said that council tax reform

“is long overdue, because the current system is regressive. We know that the Scottish Government has powers over income tax bands, but it has not made a lot of use of them.”

I am not quite sure what he meant by that, but perhaps you might. Dr Hardt went on to say that

“Even if there might be good reasons for such an approach not being considered in more detail,”

he was surprised that more information on raising finances was not there, given that

“It is a five-year spending review”.—[Official Report, COVID-19 Recovery Committee, 22 September 2022; c 25.]

Is that a criticism that you accept?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

What kind of body would the centre for pandemic preparedness be? Would it be, say, a statutory body or a non-departmental public body? How do you envisage it?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

I am fine. I do not have a question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

I want to go back to Diarmaid Lawlor on his point about getting projects ready. The previous panel mentioned the problem of getting contractors on an island who can do the work. If contractors are not available on an island, the project cannot move forward and therefore does not get funding. Therefore, contractors will not go to an island because the funding is not there for them to do the work. I fully support the idea of a competitive tendering process, but is there not a danger of creating a catch-22 situation by doing it in that way?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

I ask this question merely out of curiosity. If we had an allocation system instead of a competitive system, would that not just mean that the money would be spread across everything? People would say, “I could do a bit of this and a bit of that,” but the targets that the Government’s infrastructure proposals are looking to achieve would be missed.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jim Fairlie

If you have created that pipeline, which will be there for the future, I assume that it will require multiyear funding, which you can then guarantee. Has that created its own problems for you?