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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

That would be helpful. If I was a client and was reading that, I would be thinking, “Oh, it will be really difficult to get an in-person hearing.” VoiceAbility and any other third sector organisations that are giving advice should be able to say that the SCTS wants to provide a hearing in whatever way the client wants, so that their best interests are served.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

So you do not know how long it takes. When you request information from, say, a general practitioner, you do not have an average time for how long it takes to get that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

Mr Mason would probably ask about cost. At the moment, very few hearings take place in venues. The United Kingdom tribunals service previously rented rooms in certain locations. Are you using the same venues, and how much are we paying for those venues if they are not being used very often?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

How far would you expect people to travel for tribunals as the number increases?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

I have a couple of questions. The first is a bit nerdy and niche—I apologise for that. The new tribunal service has been set up, but precedent was set by cases that were taken in the previous tribunal system. Will the new tribunal system follow that precedent, or is it starting with a blank piece of paper for First-tier Tribunal decision making?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

That is absolutely fair.

The VoiceAbility submission states:

“It is possible to participate by video conference or by telephone; by paper; or rarely, in person”.

I am concerned that that wording suggests that the presumption is that in-person hearings, as you would call them, are rare, which would push the client down the route of thinking that in-person hearings will prove to be more difficult to get. Are you concerned by that wording? Could it be more explicit that the client can participate in the way that they want to, which is what the legislation says?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

Has VoiceAbility been told that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

I welcome that response. Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning. I should probably put on record the fact that I am a former First-tier Tribunal member.

Ms Devlin, you said that you do not record information with regard to redeterminations. Why not?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Jeremy Balfour

It seems a bit confusing that we started with a whole new system and we are not recording information from day 1. Have you got a timescale for when that information will be recorded?