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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I do not want to labour the point, but I think that it is worth clarifying that the suggestion that the only way for Scotland to stay in the EU was to vote to stay in the UK has been misrepresented repeatedly. The European and External Relations Committee was written to by the European Commission at the time, and it highlighted that leaving a member state would mean leaving the European Union. That point was made by the European Commission.

Moreover, the once-in-a-generation suggestion—I absolutely agree about the lack of precedent in that respect—was actually part of the Scottish Government’s white paper. It was therefore not just two prominent people who were saying that, albeit that they were the First Minister at the time and the First Minister who followed.

My question is about settled will and how we might determine what the feeling of the Scottish people is. We have talked about “the people”. What is your definition of settled will?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

You have covered a couple of other points that I was going to ask about, so I will leave it there and perhaps come back in later. Thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

A number of parties have talked about the flexibility of the constitution, and Professor Tomkins mentioned that, too.

One of the difficulties in determining what the Scottish people want is that opinion polls fluctuate, even when we talk about devolution. According to YouGov polling last year, 21 per cent of people in Scotland would happily abolish Holyrood. There is obviously still demand for the Parliament, but that could change, because support for independence started on a low basis. I am not advocating the abolition of Holyrood, by the way. It is interesting how much weight we put on opinion polls. We know that opinions on independence are relatively equal, depending on which polls we look at. However, it is not a priority. How much weighting do you give to priority for another referendum or independence? It is difficult to pin down this aspect of the whole debate. What do people in Scotland actually want and how will we ever determine that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That did not involve your attending board meetings, which you could have done.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. Do you regret not attending, or are you comfortable with not having done that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I recognise that we have a limited amount of time, convener, and I am just asking—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I do not think that anybody would be surprised that, as you suggest, there has been a great deal of engagement between Scottish Government officials and HES. It is, in effect, an organisation in crisis, so that would be expected. The point is that the buck stops with you, as the cabinet secretary—doesn’t it?—and you have not attended the board meetings. Perhaps you can advise whether you were invited to any board meetings or whether you requested to attend any board meetings. It appears that you met with the leadership teams, despite the fact that—as you accept—there were leadership issues. Can you address some of those points? Were you invited to board meetings, or did you make any request to attend the board meetings?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

We are aware of who attended.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay. That is the question that I asked, convener.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Last week, I asked Sir Mark Jones whether any timescales or targets had been set, and he said that they had not. When do you expect the organisation to be back on a relatively even keel?