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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will be brief because I am conscious of the time, so I will put my two questions into one.

You talked about people taking a generalised rather than specialised approach, and about the churn of civil servants and politicians. Is there a concern that individuals can be stuck in the same position for too long and are therefore not able to come up with new approaches, even if they are implementing other people’s ideas, certainly from the civil service side? It is also about longevity of Governments. We have two parties that have been in government for a very long time, so how might that impact on civil servants who are asked to deliver? Do they start to take an institutionalised approach and does that have an impact on whether they are able to take and respond to decisions?

10:45  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning. I am very encouraged by what Professor Skea said about going out and about and taking a place-based approach. As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I always go on about the need to ensure that the whole of Scotland is represented, so what was said about the Western Isles and going up to Shetland and Grantown-on-Spey is important and encouraging.

I have questions about the role of small and medium-sized enterprises and how they can be supported. Previous witnesses have said that there is a particular need to support SMEs and have talked about how to do that. First, there needs to be the necessary planning, but we should also ensure that there is an agreed and consistent approach to measuring carbon and quantifying the effects of reform. What is your opinion on that? How can we ensure that there is better engagement with SMEs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Do you think that you are likely to take an approach of breaking things down into sectors as well as SMEs—for example, the seafood sector in one area, agriculture somewhere else, and retail somewhere else? How might you break that down to explore the needs most pertinently?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That is helpful. At the moment, is there a lack of awareness among SMEs not only of the need for a just transition but of how that is going to be achieved and measured?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Okay—thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thanks for that. I think that Lang Banks wants to come in on this.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Ben Howarth, do you have anything to add?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Heather Buchanan, I ask you the same question. I represent a region—the Highlands and Islands. How do we make sure there is a regional approach to this, and regional support?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

A lot of the questions that I was going to ask have been covered, so I will ask a follow-up question of James Close and Heather Buchanan. You have talked about the technology, the associated risk and the various stages of investment, and Colin Beattie talked about developing technologies and mentioned hydrogen. From your perspectives, are you seeing those technologies developing as quickly as you expected or would want them to? Where are they against expectations?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I am from Orkney, where a lot of work is being done on hydrogen. It is extremely interesting and exciting, but from speaking to many people about their confidence about how hydrogen is going to fit into the grand scheme of things, I know that that is the million-dollar question—I will call it that, rather than the impossible question. The finance side is interesting. If you want to know what is going to happen with regard to an event, you ask a bookie; to find out what is going to be successful, you ask the banking sector, because they are looking to what will work. With large-scale innovations such as hydrogen, what confidence can you have that it is going to play a major role? Where do progress on that?