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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The late Jo Grimond did quite a lot of work on this previously. Given that the UK Government has recognised that there is a difference with Orkney and Shetland because of their backgrounds, do you not think that a decision on their self-determination should be made at the same time? For example, if there were to be another independence referendum, should that option be there for them?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That causes the same problems that we have talked about. I am trying to remember who it was who talked about a confirmatory referendum. You would want to know as far as possible what leaving the UK would mean for Scotland. It could mean a whole load of political and financial issues. It could mean parts of Scotland leaving in the future. I understand that you will never have that certainty, but would it not be more suitable to have such a referendum at the same time so that people could vote and say, “We think Scotland may be smaller than it is now”?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Do you want to come back in, Dr Casanas Adam?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I admire your hope that it could happen in a calm manner. Thank you very much.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I was going to ask the panel, as a final point, whether they think that any political party or Government that was serious about independence, serious about being honest with the public, would publish any secret plans that it has for independence and referendums ahead of an election, which they are asking people to vote on, but I feel that I might be getting slightly into the politics there, so, unless you particularly disagree or have a point on that, I would be happy to leave it there.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thanks very much. I want to ask Hedydd Phylip about something that came up regarding officials. I think that this point has just been made, but is there enough experience of the devolution side among UK Government officials and enough experience of the challenges for UK officials among officials from the devolved nations? Are there opportunities to build a better understanding? Professor Wincott mentioned the one-week “Let’s talk about devolution” event. Could there be more interaction on that side of things, such as through secondments or officials from each side spending time understanding some of the challenges?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I will quickly come back on that. Does the process at the moment involve a kind of well-intentioned trial and error? Will aspects be formalised as they are deemed to work or to be successful? Is that simplifying the situation a bit too much?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

The point has been made that certain departments have a greater relationship with devolved issues than others. Perhaps some do not have any relationship, but there is probably a knock-on effect. I will leave it there unless anybody else wants to comment.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I am glad that you came in there, because I was going to bring you in. Are the processes that are operating now and the informal structures that you warn against what we have seen all the way along under devolution, or has devolution involved a more formalised process for scrutiny, decision making and relationships?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning. We have touched on some of the areas that I want to cover. I will come to Professor Wincott first. When we were in London, we heard some things about the balance between formality and flexibility, particularly at official level, but above that, too. Will you give us your thoughts on that?