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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning to the cabinet secretary and her colleagues.

On the subject of Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd and the boats at Ferguson’s, you said that Ferguson’s was asked to constrain costs and to get the boats built as quickly as possible. Clearly, it has failed to do that. We have talked about value for money; clearly, the boats have not been value for money. There is an approach going forward, and it will be interesting to see the responses to that. You talked about the impacts of inflation. Inflation in Turkey has been at over 80 per cent and is currently over 61 per cent, yet it looks like the yard in Turkey will deliver boats on time and on budget before the boats that are being built at Ferguson’s.

Neil Gray said that there is not a blank cheque for those boats. However, the simple fact is that there is likely to be a blank cheque because there is so much political capital invested in the boats, in CMAL and in Ferguson’s yard that it will never be a case of enough is enough. You will keep finding the money to make sure that the boats are delivered.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Ferguson’s should have been finished well before now, before the issues with inflation arose.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I recognise that providing for an ageing population is an important part of it. One projection from the Scottish Fiscal Commission is depopulation, particularly in rural areas and in the Highlands and Islands. In projections to 2043-44, all Highlands and Islands council areas will see their populations fall. That is a mid-term approach, but there are already concerns. There has been a lack of investment in infrastructure such as the A9 and ferries, and people feel very distant from services. If you want a population to stay in rural areas, you need maternity services. We have had a number of debates recently in the Parliament about the need to provide such things. How can you, over the next few years, reverse the feeling among people—certainly those in our remote areas such as the Highlands and Islands—that services are further away from them than they were previously?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

May I quickly ask a question on that point? When you talk about net inward migration, who are those people? Are they over the age of 65? How are they made up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Have there been discussions about the need to find new ways of generating revenue for the scheme?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Is that something else that is being looked at?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

During this meeting, your colleagues have said that they will provide further information. We talked about period 1, and you said that four months of information are available. Was that not available when the information was requested for this meeting?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Good morning to the minister and her colleagues. I am fairly new to this committee and, although this is not the first time that I have seen this proposal, I have not looked at it in this depth of detail and was not here for the previous discussions.

Michael Marra has rightly said that, for all the value that this brings, it still has to be paid for. I am not sure of the exact wording that you used, but I think that you hinted at or suggested other ways of generating revenue. Does that mean having to introduce new taxes, increase taxes, bring in new fees or whatever to pay for taking this forward, if the costs are higher than expected?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

As a chain, you can probably recover over a longer period when there are bad nights in one venue. Do you worry for small independent pubs, bars and restaurants?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I get the points that have been made, but you would have to go to people in the Highlands and Islands and say to them that more power needs to be in Edinburgh. Nobody wants to make that argument. In fact, in the Highlands, Inverness is seen as the great collector of power. It is really difficult to strike the balance.

I want to come back to Rachel Cook’s point about the rural aspect. We have talked about business confidence being low across the UK, but your focus was on that being the case in Scotland. I wonder whether there are regional differences, as well.

I represent the Highlands and Islands. Small businesses are absolutely vital—they are the lifeblood of communities across the region. Is there a difference between business confidence there and that in other parts of Scotland?