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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That would be very helpful. The NHS boards that I speak to in my region have staff shortages, and access to housing is a big part of that. My question is about how the issue of an exemption would fit in with encouraging or supporting them.

09:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Last week, at the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, Professor Thomson, of Scotland’s Rural College, said that a

“rural support plan needs to be front and centre”,

while Douglas Bell, of the Scottish Tenant Farmers Association, in referring to a rural support plan, said:

“The earlier that can come, the better. There is a real frustration among agricultural stakeholders just now about working in a vacuum.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 31 January 2024; c 11, 12.]

The UK Government was able to provide clarity on its vision for agriculture back in 2020, in the bill that became the UK Agriculture Act 2020. We are left with a framework bill and an approach that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has said “poses difficulties for scrutiny”.

Would you agree with that? Why have we not been able to get a clearer vision already, if we are not going to be getting anything else until 2025?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

We could be more advanced. The process of co-design and introducing the framework bill and so on could have started earlier.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

As I said, I wanted to get some clarity. John Mason talked about the IT support and the £60 million total cost for that, according to table 5 in the financial memorandum. Is that the cost for streamlining or improving the current system or is it for delivering the new system?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

So the figure in table 5 is very much a best guesstimate.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

For the sake of clarity, then, you are not ruling that out, but you think that it is unlikely.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I appreciate that, but at the moment, money can come out of the budget or it can be withheld and used elsewhere. Taking my politician’s hat off and putting my farmer’s hat on, I would say that promises from politicians are not always worth a huge amount. We always look at the additional cost of legislation, and depending on how decisions are taken as part of the filling out of the framework, there could be areas in which any underspend could still be utilised outwith the agriculture budget.

10:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Lastly, and again on EU alignment, I understand that the new CAP scheme requires reserves to be kept for crises. Would that be built into the legislation, or is it envisaged that it will be put into the legislation once the framework is fleshed out? If so, how would that reserve be built up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Is it not being considered at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Jamie Halcro Johnston

There are a lot of people who simply do not apply for the care that they should be entitled to, so the focus on the bill and awareness around care and people’s rights might have an impact. Do you think that the current funding support that is available for that will meet any increases there?