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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 December 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

I want to dig into that a bit, because these ideas have been around since the 2011 Christie report. It is hardly groundbreaking to say that, if we continue to follow a diet of ultra-processed foods—foods high in sugar and salt—we will be unhealthy or unhealthier. My concern is that, instead of looking at how we can promote a better diet and physical activity, especially in youth, we seem to be looking at how to prevent people from accessing ultra-processed foods. How do we encourage a healthier lifestyle? The regulations are all about banning stuff. I absolutely agree with prevention in marketing, but where is the balance in the legislation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

That is great, so why are we reducing those opportunities for kids? We know what health is, and how to be healthy; we know that we have to move about and eat better. The concern here seems to be more about calorific intake than the make-up of those calories. I know that you are passionate about this, too, but I hear a lot about what we could do, and about what being healthy actually is. Why are we reducing the opportunity for this sort of thing to be universally accessible across our country?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

Absolutely.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

Good morning. I will start with an easy question—well, it is an easy one to ask. How will the regulations support population health?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

I agree. It is ridiculous that a coffee and a sandwich can cost me less if I add in a pack of crisps. That is absolutely bonkers.

This is where I am coming from. Again, I support the regulations, but I can give you an example of what has been done in Japan to positively influence the food environment. Every school in Japan has a nutritionist, and children are not allowed to eat anything in school that has not been passed by a nutritionist as being extremely healthy. Japan’s level of obesity is 4 per cent.

I go back to the idea that what we really want to do is change the environment in which obesity is an issue. Scotland is not Japan, but that sort of example shows that, if the political will is there, we can make significant changes to our communities. That is what I am pushing back on—the regulations are just scratching round the edges, and we are not making the big changes that we need to make in order to improve public health.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

If sport is important, we need to stop cutting the sports budget. In fact, we need to double it, as was declared in a previous manifesto. My final question is—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

Good morning. The minister will understand my interest in this topic. My frustration is that we have known about this for a long time: the Christie Commission’s report was published in 2011; and Harry Burns has done a lot of great work on this. As much as I welcome any move to tackle what is a huge issue in Scotland—we are the unhealthiest, most obese country in Europe—and to reduce and ban the use of unhealthy foods, where is the work around the promotion of what is healthy? Where is the work on the erosion of our opportunities, especially for kids, to be physically active? There is a huge symbiotic relationship between activity and diet. Where is the work to look at that in preschool, where children receive 1,140 hours of funded childcare, and into primary school, where we create those habits? In the end, it will take much more than the regulations and much greater political will to make the significant changes that we need.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

Before I bring in David McColgan, I go back to Professor Johnstone’s points. If the labelling is confusing, why are we not legislating to make it easier to understand? Why are we focusing on calorific intake, when that does not necessarily result in a healthier diet? Why are we not looking at—I keep saying this—the need for people to be physically active, especially when they are young? Why are we not looking at preventing people from falling into an obesity trap in the first place?

I absolutely agree with regulation, but that is my concern. We have known about these aspects since around 2011—it is hardly groundbreaking—but we are still not looking at how we help to educate people, or create an educational environment that enables them, to know what healthy food is. If labelling is the problem, why are we not looking at that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

I have not brought in David McColgan yet, but I have to say that my problem is this: the outcomes are important. We are the most obese country in Europe, and one of the most obese countries in the world, so we are not doing very well, either in terms of diet or being physically active. It is all very well to say that we are going to bring in these regulations, but surely the only measure is the outcome, and the outcome tells us that that approach is not working.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Brian Whittle

I think that the school environment, along with the 1,140 hours of early learning and childcare, is absolutely the battleground on which we should be fighting.