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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

I will be brief, because a lot of the points have been covered. Everybody recognises the importance of ventilation, not just for Covid but for many other considerations, as well as the fact that CO2 monitoring would be beneficial. I am thinking about the practicalities of developing a country where the buildings have good ventilation. As the convener said at the start of the discussion, we know that poverty is a major driver of proliferation of the virus. The practicalities of developing all our buildings so that they have good ventilation is beyond the Government’s budget, so I presume that we are talking about a focus on commercial rather than domestic properties.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

I will follow on from some of Murdo Fraser’s points. As you said, cabinet secretary, there were four bullet points giving the reasons for the implementation of the vaccination passport scheme, one being to improve vaccine uptake. It is my view that improving vaccine uptake will improve the other three bullet points by reducing transmission, reducing the effects of illness, the number of deaths and the pressures on the NHS, and, we hope, helping to keep places open.

However, I was concerned to hear one of the committee’s advisers use the phrase “evaluating blind” this morning. Given that we are looking for the most effective deployment of resource, how can we assess the impact of vaccination passports? We have to be able to assess their impact on vaccine uptake, because we have always said that we follow the science. The Government is taking a suite of measures, but it cannot just be a matter of throwing as much as we can at the situation and hoping that we have an outcome.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

We also need to target people who are vaccine hesitant. How are we addressing the needs of those people? Pushing harder is likely to result in more entrenched views so, given that vaccination passports will not persuade that group to get vaccinated, what is the Scottish Government doing to speak to those people?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

I will ask a quick final question, if I may, convener. Has the Scottish Government decided what the criteria will be for withdrawing the passport scheme?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

What I am hearing in that reply is that you are unable, in the three-week review process, to ascribe an increase in vaccine uptake specifically to the impact of any of the measures. Given that vaccine uptake is one of the most important things in tackling the virus, and given the amount of resource that has been deployed into vaccination passports and the problems with those passports—both practical and in relation to human rights—it is really important that you are able to persuade the population that a vaccination passport scheme is the right way to go, but I am not hearing that, cabinet secretary.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

I want to move on but, from a science perspective, we do not know by how much vaccine uptake would have increased without a vaccination passport scheme. That is the issue.

Given that specific groups are less well vaccinated than others—for example, we know that fewer people in the African population are vaccinated—how are those demographic groups being targeted?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

For the record, I am not necessarily against vaccination passports, but I need to understand their implementation and that resources are being used as best they can be in tackling the issue.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

Brian Whittle

I go back to addressing the needs of people who are vaccine hesitant. What work has been done to ensure that those people are not excluded from everyday activities because of their concerns around vaccination passports? We should not create a two-tier system.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Brian Whittle

Another issue that NHS professionals have raised with me is the pressure on the NHS caused by absenteeism because of people getting regularly pinged by test and protect. I have heard about cases of neonatal units where there are supposed to be 12 people on duty, but there are only three. Such situations are inherently dangerous and relate to the impact of non-Covid-related incidents. Where are we with that? How we are measuring the situation and keeping on top of it?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Brian Whittle

An issue that I have been on about for a while is that of the vaccination status of other countries and how vaccine proliferation is measured in other countries. How can we be confident that the data that comes out of other countries is robust? I am always wary of making comparisons with other countries, because the way in which they measure their vaccination status varies hugely across the world. How can we be confident that the data that we get from other countries in relation to the travel zone is robust?