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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

Deputy First Minister, I vividly remember your bringing the emergency powers to the chamber, and quite rightly you had universal support from across the chamber for those emergency powers, given the situation that you faced at the time. However, you and the First Minister have said that the powers would be used only if appropriate, that they would be kept for the minimum amount of time and that they would face parliamentary scrutiny as quickly as possible. I remember how quickly the emergency powers were brought into being, when they were brought before the Parliament and voted on.

As my colleague Murdo Fraser says, we are in a different time now. The Government should not hold such powers unless absolutely necessary. Given that you could bring the measures back before the Parliament and given that the emergency powers could be reinstated very quickly if required, along with my colleague, I will have to oppose the motion.

11:30  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I will finish my line of questioning. You got to the point that I was hoping to get to, Professor Elder: the IT system that underpins the health service and the direction of the service is outdated. That has not just happened during Covid; we discussed the matter, before Covid, in the Health and Sport Committee. Given that we are the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, I want to explore whether we should invest in an IT system that covers the whole NHS and clinical system. That would give us an ability to better respond to a future pandemic and, more generally, to understand what is happening in non-Covid conditions. Should we do that? Dr Thomson, your hand went up quickly.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I had actually written down a note about the interface between primary and secondary care being part of the solution.

You highlighted that there is no universal system for the NHS to access. Presumably, then, you would ask for exactly that: a system—even a multilayered one—that clinicians can access. That would have a positive impact on the ability to care.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I do not want to labour this point, but the worry is that, in those particular circumstances, there might be thought of leaning on employees to get them back into the office.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

But the opportunity has to exist—

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

As I said, I do not want to labour the point but, when a business is under that kind of financial pressure, those decisions have to be made. I am just putting that out there.

I will go on to where my real interest lies. My question follows on from the questions that my colleague Jim Fairlie asked. One thing that Covid has shown us is how much we can change societal behaviour in a short space of time. On Mr Fairlie’s point, many conditions such as obesity, diabetes, heart disease, some cancers and mental health problems can be positively impacted by behaviour. More people in our population die from those conditions than from Covid, although I know that we have been in an emergency situation. In my book, as we come out of the pandemic, we have an opportunity to change the fact that we live in an unhealthy part of Europe. How do we use what we have learned from Covid to change societal behaviour for the betterment of health in Scotland?

10:45  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

I have to thank you for calling me a professional athlete. I think that that finished a good 2 stone ago.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning. I have a quick question about the earlier discussion on hybrid working. A number of companies have made the point to me that, if we end up with a hybrid working system, a lot of companies will still have a 10 or 15-year lease on office space, which they have to take into account. There is a cost in delivering a hybrid working model, but the costs that those businesses had pre pandemic remain. I do not know whether the Government has considered that or taken it into account.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

Muscle is so much heavier than fat. [Laughter.]

The fact that we have a huge opportunity to reset is a massively important point. That might be contrary to the approach of publishing the sort of data that Mr Fairlie talked about. I would like to think that we could do it from a positive perspective, which means opening up opportunity that has been significantly curtailed during the pandemic. To have that sort of impact, we will need to not just go back to the level of opportunity that we had before but go much further. I want to understand the Government’s thinking on that.

Speaking anecdotally, I am still doing athletics coaching, so I know that we have limited access to the track—it is open only at certain times, which I do not understand. My mother cannot go to her exercise classes at the moment. It is not just about getting back to where we were. It is about how we take this opportunity and go much further.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Brian Whittle

—and that is where I am going with that point, Mr Swinney. The Government’s responsibility is to make that opportunity available, and the messaging comes after that.