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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 August 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Brian Whittle

That is helpful. I will take that a little bit further. The third sector tends to be the main interface between such communities and services and councils. What is the third sector’s role in ensuring that those issues are brought to the attention of MSPs and people in the councils? How, as part of the strategy of moving to digital, do we ensure that there is improved communication between council services and the third sector?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Brian Whittle

You are back. We can hear you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Brian Whittle

To segue to Mairi Millar, some local authorities expressed some concern that holding remote meetings and hearings might limit public attendance. Is that your experience? Is there support to amend the bill to make sure that licence applicants can be present and have input into the format that a hearing should take?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Brian Whittle

When listening to David McNeill’s testimony, I was very struck by his suggestion that having access to the internet does not mean that a person is confident or knowledgeable enough to navigate form filling or applications. My concern is that, for those who are furthest removed from mainstream society, that was an issue before the pandemic, which has now been exacerbated. Are we in danger of forgetting about and leaving behind a section of society?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Brian Whittle

To be honest, I am disappointed with Mr Rowley’s characterisation of the matter, because it is entirely not the case.

The general public do not know that the majority of the rules that they face are not law, but guidance. They have been following them. My point is that the speed with which, as has been demonstrated, we can bring emergency legislation to the Parliament means that there is no need to continue with the emergency legislation that is in force. If it is required, it can be brought swiftly to the Parliament.

I reiterate to Mr Rowley that my opposition to the motions has nothing to do with party politics. The fact is that the majority of the rules that we follow are guidance, not law.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I want to return to the issue of excess deaths. It was mentioned that most of those are due in part to Covid. If I remember correctly—I am sure that you will correct me if I am wrong—Covid is a contributing factor. For example, a high proportion of people—more than 60 per cent—of those who died of Covid, or whose deaths were Covid-related, were obese. For a third of deaths, diabetes was a factor.

Do we have an opportunity to reassess and reset how we deliver healthcare, and link that to factors that are outside of the NHS? I am talking about looking at the education system in the broadest sense. As Alex Rowley mentioned, there was a high incidence of Covid deaths among those in poverty. Do we have an opportunity, looking ahead, to reset healthcare? If you agree with that, how will the Government take up that opportunity?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I should probably declare an interest at this point, as I was a director of a healthcare tech company that worked on collaboration and communication platforms before I became an MSP.

The technology in question is not new and is available. On your point about not having to reset everything, I would say that we need to be able to suck data into a central platform, allow those data to talk to each other and then see how we can use the output. As we discussed the last time that you were here, I am suggesting that we do not have an IT system that can do that at the moment. If we are to move forward, that issue needs to be addressed, and I am happy to discuss that with you offline.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I want to follow up John Mason’s comments about occupied beds. Cabinet secretary, you alluded to the fact that we are starting to see a switch from beds being occupied by Covid cases to beds being taken up by patients with other conditions. That issue was also mentioned during the previous agenda item. Are we getting to a point at which the other conditions that have been delayed are beginning to present? Is that the next crisis that the NHS will face? Will dealing with delayed presentations maintain the pressure on it?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Brian Whittle

My concern is that, if we reduce the prevalence of Covid to the hoped-for levels, the pressure on the health service will simply move from treating Covid to treating other conditions whose presentation has been delayed. Is that a reasonable assumption to make?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Brian Whittle

We know that that pressure is coming, and I am sure that it is a global issue rather than something that affects Scotland in isolation. How do we prepare for the fact that, as I said, there are conditions that will continue to put pressure on the health service?