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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Thank you.

I have a question for Martyn Raine. Given that the retrofitting of homes has been mentioned, I might as well use it as an example. The Scottish Government has set a target of retrofitting a million homes with heat pumps between 2025 and 2030—or 200,000 heat pumps per year. I suppose that that reflects how much workforce demand will increase as a result of that activity. Are enough resources in place to ensure that we have an upskilled workforce to allow us to reach such targets?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning, Mr Hebblethwaite. You say that the new regime has not changed the rate of pay, but what is important is how much is in someone’s take-home pay at the end of the month, which has significantly changed. I think that the people who have been affected would vehemently disagree with you.

The deputy convener made the point that, when the annual accounts were signed on 10 December 2021, you must have been a viable business, because it is, of course, illegal to trade insolvent. Three months later, you are asking us to accept that P&O got into such a financial crisis in that time that you had to let 800 staff go. Is that what you are asking us to accept?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Which is illegal.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I have watched the story develop, Mr Hebblethwaite, and I would suggest that you and the board are not stupid people. In taking this decision, you must have thought through all the repercussions that there might be and you must have known that there would be significant pushback at the level that there is. You must have known that it would not be allowed to happen. Therefore, my question to myself and to you is what outcomes P&O is really driving at, because you know that you will not be allowed to deliver the change the way you have done.

11:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I think that you will find that, when you break the law, that is illegal.

I am sorry, Mr Hebblethwaite, but I cannot accept that you did not consider all eventualities. You must have known that what you are about to do would have significant pushback. Time will tell what outcome you are driving for, but I do not believe that you thought that it would be acceptable.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Perhaps I can bring in Grant Tierney to answer my question and also talk about the financing of net zero. Does all of that lie with the private sector? Where does the public sector sit with regard to financing the upskilling of the workforce?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

In international businesses of the size of P&O Ferries, it is not unusual for finances to swing from positive to negative in the numbers that you suggest. I go back again to the point that you could not trade insolvent so, in December 2021, P&O was a viable business. Why has it collapsed so much in three months?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I have a question for Ian Hill to finish off. Given the need to increase the number of people working in the sector, does a bit of work need to be done to raise awareness among and understanding of the public and private sector workforce in the net zero environment and the opportunities in that respect? Perhaps we are not doing enough to highlight those things.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Can Douglas Hendry give us the council perspective?