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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 April 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Brian Whittle

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Brian Whittle

It is interesting to hear you discuss fair trade and equality. The reality is that fair trade products cost money to produce. We hold our food producers to such a high standard and we have to accept that there is a cost associated with that. I get the sense that the legislation is reasonable but that we can improve on its implementation.

I am a big advocate of local food procurement, given the positive impact that it can have across much of society in terms of community wellbeing. Should we do procurement the other way round, first looking at the outcomes that we want and how we can commission things, and then putting the procurement into practice? It seems to me that, at the moment, the pressures on councils’ budgets are having an impact on fair trade and equality. I am sure that everybody wants those things, but everybody is looking at the bottom line.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Brian Whittle

I have a quick follow-up on the point that purchasing goods in the longer term will save you money. Just to play devil’s advocate, I say that I am not sure that councils always have the luxury of being able to do that. They do not have the front-end ability to purchase goods that would give a better service and have longevity, because of two things: first, the fact that they do not have the front-end money and, secondly, the fact that they will be questioned on it. How do we get around that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Brian Whittle

Lindsey, do you have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Brian Whittle

I will be as brief and concise as I possibly can be. We have touched on how the housing market has to deal with inward migration. Migration within country is also an issue. We have a significant issue of migration from rural to urban areas. The extent of the migration from west to east is a surprise to me. Obviously, that situation has an impact, because it puts pressures on housing.

Specifically in rural areas—I will come to Jane Wood in a minute, because she talked about SMEs, which are the predominant house builders in rural communities—that migration is leading to a reduction in the ability to deliver services, which means that fewer people stay in those areas. It seems to be an ever-decreasing circle. Does the housing strategy take that into account? One of the key issues that has been mentioned a lot is the lack of appropriate housing to keep people in rural communities.

I am looking at Maureen Chalmers for an answer to that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Brian Whittle

I am an MSP for South Scotland.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Brian Whittle

As I mentioned, builders in rural communities are predominantly SMEs. All those issues are connected. Connectivity is hugely important, but there is also a cost associated with building in rural areas. Do we need to examine how we incentivise builders? At the end of the day, they need to turn a coin. Should we incentivise them to build in rural areas?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Brian Whittle

Unless anybody else wishes to add something, I am happy to leave it there.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Brian Whittle

I have nothing to declare.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Brian Whittle

Callum Chomczuk mentioned net zero housing and the ambitions around reducing our carbon output through housing, including work on new builds and the retrofitting of 1 million homes, which is a target that has had to be dropped. We are 22,500 tradespeople short of the number of workers that we need in order to hit those 2030 targets, and we are dealing with a reducing budget. Should we be considering taking the capital that we have and addressing homelessness and the lack of housing by incentivising builders to build new affordable green housing? It seems to me that the budget is being spread so thinly that no targets are being met. Are we taking too much of a scattergun approach?