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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Briefly, Callum Hood has something to say.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Thank you. I could spend all day talking about data, its collection and how we utilise it.

For me, one of the difficulties with what happened, certainly within the UK, including in Scotland, was that we used the phrase “follow the science” a lot, without explaining what that means. Of course, the science changed and evolved as we began to understand more. How did Governments respond to that change, how were we able to communicate it, and did that compound the difficulty that we had in maintaining a line of communication?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Does anyone else want to come in on that question before I add a supplementary?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

I want to follow that up with you, Dr Phin—it would be remiss of me not to, given that you represent Public Health Scotland, which was mentioned specifically in an evidence session that we held last week. We took evidence in private and one of the professors, who is a Government adviser, told us was that it was so hard—indeed, almost impossible—to get data from Public Health Scotland that they stopped asking for it.

I am not in attack mode, so I do not want you to be in defence mode. I am raising this because we need to look back and learn, and look forward to how we deliver better services and communications. Given what we were told, what is Public Health Scotland doing to improve access to data and find a better solution?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Will Moy, I saw you nod your head. Would you like to add something?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

Tracey Brown, I assume that you would like to come in on the “follow the science” comment.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Brian Whittle

I thank the panel members for their time this morning.

As soon as information was put into the public domain, it seemed that other experts suddenly sprang up trying to say exactly the opposite. We seemed to collect a deluge of data. How far are we able to collate that data and communicate that in the public domain in a way that can easily be consumed? A lot of data was put on to websites such as the FACTS or NHS Inform websites, but I am not sure how many people actually visited those websites. Were Governments behind the curve in their ability to combat misinformation? Will Moy, could you answer that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

My argument is that it took us too long. That is not a criticism of your Government or any Government in particular. I think that it took us too long to respond. As you know, we are now reviewing that response. There will be a report on that, and I suggest that that might be the time to consider how and whether we change the statute book.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning, cabinet secretary and panel. I hope that you are on the mend, Mr Swinney.

You probably recognise that we do not agree on some of the provisions. I go back to the word “proportionality”, which is what exercises me on the bill. As you said, ministers will decide what proportionality is. I assume that you recognise that there is a level of subjectivity to that.

On safeguards and balances, parliamentary scrutiny is the main safeguard in such decisions. Do you acknowledge that, by introducing the bill, you basically bypass that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Brian Whittle

I just note that I did not talk about all pupils—I said “many”. One issue that has been raised is that, for some people, the pandemic has deepened inequality in learning. There should perhaps be a focus on certain sections of society and pupils. However, thank you for that response, which was helpful.

I will transition to a point that has been raised with me and that relates to health. We know that roughly half of the Covid cases in hospital are patients who went in for another condition. The worry that has been raised with me is that there is still a reluctance among people to seek medical help because they are concerned about contracting Covid in hospital. What is the Scottish Government doing to ensure that that hesitation is overcome and to get people to seek critical medical help as soon as it is required? If people do not do so, that will put strain on the NHS due to later presentations.