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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Good afternoon, panel. I will ask this of Fergus Mutch, if I may.

We heard this morning about the just transition and the impact that it is having, or not having, on the SME sector. Panellists have mentioned carrots and sticks several times. I was musing on the fact that, as has already been said, much of the just transition fund is allocated through financial transactions. Given that the money is being administered in that form, is there understanding among your SME members that money is available to them? I will throw start-ups and the third sector into that, because we heard from such bodies when we visited Aberdeen just a couple of weeks ago.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

I am sorry to labour the point, but you talked about significant investments that are in the pipeline, and you said that investment was mostly in SMEs. The amount of money that you are investing in projects is significant. How do smaller SMEs that do not, traditionally, look for such levels of investment, access the just transition fund?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Ronan, is there anything that you want to add to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

I will open that up slightly. We have heard that the issue is not just about allocation of the funds but is about having to apply for them annually then spend them in-year, which seems to be prohibitive. Mark, do you have thoughts on that, and on my initial question?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you. That is really helpful. In the world of investment, it is almost easier to get bigger sums of money. You mentioned some significant investments that you have made in core projects. What is SNIB doing to make sure that smaller companies—SMEs, start-ups and third sector organisations—that will not be looking for such large amounts of investment still have access to the just transition fund?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Where have we heard that before? We should be aligning bus and rail timetables. I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Mr Boland, I want to go back what you said about the difference in pay for electrical engineers in the oil and gas sector and those in the renewables sector possibly being as much as £20,000. That is specifically because electrical engineer jobs in the oil and gas sector are very highly paid—they are paid above what we would expect for an electrical engineer. How on earth do we square that circle if we are talking about a just transition? Moving from one sector to another would mean a big drop in salary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

We have talked about delivering innovation. It strikes me that we cannot have people working in the oil and gas sector and in the green energy sector, and that we need an influx of new talent into the sector.

We have talked about STEM ever since I came into the Parliament. There is still a very low STEM uptake among women. To me, that is where the biggest innovation has to happen. We talk about 2045. In that timescale, how can we practically deliver STEM training, innovation and encouragement in schools to deliver our 2045 targets?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you. I will leave it there, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Good morning to the panel. I want to tease out a few points that were made earlier.

Obviously, there are significant opportunities for Scotland in renewable technologies. We want a green economy, and we are well advanced in things such as onshore and offshore wind energy. We are doing particularly well in those, but maybe we are behind the curve a bit on things such as hydrogen.

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On the practicalities of a just transition, we have already heard that the growth of the green economy is not matching the decline in oil and gas jobs. That matching is where we need to be for a just transition. How can we create the sector for people to transition into? Are we supporting innovation enough to ensure that we are creating commercial success that gives confidence to those who want to transition and move into the sector?