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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

I think that you were going to ask questions on—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

We are here specifically to discuss the SSI, and it is probably unfair on the minister to go into any great detail in that area, as I think that you are asking him to do. In general, the direction of travel with regard to how the SSIs are going to be introduced is a valid point but, in this meeting, looking at schemes that might deliver certain outcomes is probably going a little bit further than the remit of this agenda item.

We can cover those issues broadly, but we can leave the detail to another session.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

Are we effectively creating a baseline? Will we look at peatlands and wetlands as they are now and try to keep them in that condition, or will we strive to improve them? I am thinking about land that is currently productive and needs drainage to maintain it. Will that be impacted in future?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

There will be a division.

For

Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Burgess, Ariane (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Whitham, Elena (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)

Against

Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)

Abstentions

Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 7, Against 1, Abstentions 1.

Motion agreed to,

That the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee recommends that the Rural Support (Improvement) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 [draft] be approved.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

I thank the minister and his officials for joining us. We now move into private session.

09:48 Meeting continued in private until 10:13.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

Agenda item 2 is consideration of an affirmative Scottish statutory instrument. I welcome to the meeting Jim Fairlie, Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, and the following Scottish Government officials: Brian Service, who is agricultural reform programme lead for cross-compliance; John Armour, who is branch head of the livestock production policy unit; and Lewis Kerr, who is a lawyer.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

You are talking about a cow being barren or whatever for a year before being put into calving. The success of this measure, then, will be that, as soon as a cow is outwith the calving index, she will be culled. Have you done any work on whether that is actually practicable? Will you get every farm with a cow that looks like it will be outside the 410-day threshold to cull the animal? After all, if it is not removed, just taking the payment away will not reduce methane output. How will you ensure that the approach delivers, and that cows that are barren and, as you say, on the ground, potentially, for a further year without producing any beef get taken out of the system?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

You have touched on quite an important topic. We have world-leading breeding stock in Scotland. Does this approach not penalise those who might be trying to improve their herd or the genetics, by disincentivising them from keeping a cow for that period? Are there any mitigating circumstances in which a high-value, pedigree cow that loses a calf in some of the circumstances that you have alluded to will not be penalised?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Finlay Carson

Minister, I will intervene, because a key issue for stakeholders was the need for a comprehensive and clear provision for force majeure issues, particularly in relation to herds that are affected by circumstances that are beyond their control. You have said three times that you will not go into those issues, but when force majeure would kick in was actually one of the main concerns, so it is obviously an important matter. Those concerns were raised during the summer, and we are now looking at approving an SSI that will come into force in January. Therefore, we now need that level of detail to give comfort to those farmers who might be affected by something that is outwith their control.