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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
Mike, I appreciate that your time is limited, so we will bring you in on these questions. Also, if there is anything else you want to add before you go, please feel free to raise it now.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
That would be helpful—thank you.
Are there any further questions?
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
We will bring in Mike Callaghan if he is still with us.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
That is useful. We move on to talk about the right to food.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
I have a yes or no question to finish, based on some of the last few questions that Alasdair Allan teased out, and it is on education. Should primary legislation state that there needs to be due regard for or recognition of the importance of education in regard to healthy eating and making the right choices?
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
Excellent. We have come to the end of our session. Thank you very much. We were very hard on you. You were reduced to two in the end but, a bit like healthy eating, it is about not quantity, but quality. Certainly, your answers were of very high quality and they will help us in our deliberations. Thank you for providing evidence this morning and for the time that you have taken to do that.
12:02 Meeting continued in private until 12:47.Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
In NPF3, economic growth and development was a priority. The then Minister for Local Government and Planning, Derek Mackay, suggested that opportunities for altered forestry increased sustainable economic growth, and it led to the Government’s economic strategy. However, this draft of NPF4 does not mention economic growth at all, apart from two times in relation to the national transport strategy. Therefore, it does not appear to have any economic growth strategy. We want to ensure that Scotland optimises opportunities for growth and economic success along with a balance between development and environmental protections. Is that something that has been missed? If not, how have you addressed that in this document?
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
I thank the minister, cabinet secretary and witnesses for giving evidence this morning. I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow a change of witnesses. We will reconvene at 5 past 10.
09:59 Meeting suspended.Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
Our second item of business is an evidence session on the draft national planning framework 4. I welcome to the meeting Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, and Tom Arthur, the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth. They are accompanied by Scottish Government officials: Jill Barber, the head of aquaculture development; Cara Davidson, the branch head of environment and natural resources; Andy Kinnaird, the head of planning transformation; Philip Raines, the head of the rural economy and communities division; and Fiona Simpson, the chief planner.
I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 9 February 2022
Finlay Carson
Thank you very much for your opening statement. We will now go to questions from members, and I will kick off. A few respondents were concerned about the process for consulting on and finalising NPF4. Indeed, National Trust Scotland said:
“We feel that this limits informed Parliamentary scrutiny of the draft framework by not affording the relevant Committees the opportunity to thoroughly examine a document”.
How has NPF4 been rural proofed? That is not clear. Will NPF4 rise to the challenge of responding to the unique challenges of rural Scotland?