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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Minister, this is just a boorach, as they say. One of the committee’s big concerns has been that, in the autumn, we will potentially have a very large number of SSIs and policy detail to deal with, and we have been looking for a timetable for that secondary legislation. We are not going to get the rural support plan until we get some of the mechanisms for delivering what I would suggest should be in the plan, and they are not going to be delivered until a later date.

The plan is supposed to indicate the total amount of support that is expected over a period and describe the way in which that support is to be structured. However, we know that already, because it has already been announced—it is a 70:30 split. So, we are just getting information in dribs and drabs—the very thing that the committee was assured would not happen. We are getting SSIs that deliver some of the aspects of the rural support plan, but they are coming in dribs and drabs. Therefore, the committee’s ability to scrutinise the overall package is limited.

There have been announcements about the split and the total amount of support expected, but nothing else. We have not got the measures that are intended to benefit small producers, tenant farmers, crofters and whoever; we have been told that those will be developed for publication in December. It is all a bit of a mess, and it feels like the interim measures—that is, the legacy schemes that, from what you are saying, will form the bulk of the SSIs that we will see in October—just kick things down the road. The date by which the Government’s intentions should be laid out in the rural support plan is getting further and further away. We had a commitment that the plan would be published in summer 2024, and all we got was a framework. There was no plan—it was a framework.

We feel that we are not any further ahead. We are still operating in a vacuum, in terms of both information and the SSIs, and I am struggling to see how the committee can effectively scrutinise what is coming forward.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

When you were a member of the committee, did you expect that, when the timetable was set out, we were going to have the rural support plan and we would then have the Scottish statutory instruments—the secondary legislation that would put the meat on the bones of the 2024 act? Did you expect us only to be considering SSIs that would continue policies that had been set out in the 2020 act, rather than considering statutory instruments to deliver a new future for agricultural support payments?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you very much, minister.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

You just said that you are going to have to look at ways in which you can operate better. Is that not a review of co-design?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

I will take a supplementary from Tim Eagle, then we will move on to a question from Emma Harper.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Grand. Thanks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

That blows of the water the whole session that we are having out. You are going out for consultation and calling for views, but you are already stating that you are ruling out anything that resembles an IFCA. It does not say in your consultation call for evidence that you will consider only X, Y and Z because of the resource capacity in the marine directorate. Are we all wasting our time here? Do you know the parameters that you are working within? Have you already ruled out some of the other operating models in your desktop exercise that we have heard about?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

You just said that you had ruled out considering IFCA.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

I have one question to finish with, which we have touched on throughout the session. In the work that you are doing, is the scope for change limited by the current financial settlement? The feeling that I get is that the scope of your work is constrained by the resource element that the marine directorate is receiving in the funding settlement. Is that correct? Are you working within the money that is allocated rather than designing a fishery that is fit for purpose and then seeking the budget to deliver it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

You are saying two contradictory things. You have said that IFCAs will be off the table because of the cost but, on the other hand, you are saying that the cabinet secretary said, “Do this piece of work with as wide a scope as possible.” The two do not sit together. You are saying that we are constrained by the cost of some options, but that the cabinet secretary is saying that everything is on the table. Which is it? Is everything on the table, and we then have to decide whether we can attract the budget to deliver what is chosen, or are you constrained by the budget?