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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
That brings us to the end of the evidence session. I thank both witnesses for their evidence; it has been most useful.
12:13 Meeting continued in private until 12:17.Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
Jake Swindells has also indicated that he would like to come in.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
Rachael Hamilton has a brief supplementary question before we move on to the next section.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
We will now move on to the sections that deal with licensing. I know that we have touched on a lot of licensing issues, but we are specifically going to look at sections 4, 8 and 9.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
Jim Fairlie has a short supplementary, and then I will bring in Rachael Hamilton.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
We will move to sections 3, 5, 6 and 7 of the bill, which cover exceptions. Beatrice Wishart will start.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
Thank you. I am keen to get opinions on this topic from the other witnesses. We have heard the message from Ian Duncan Millar quite clearly, but I would like Penny Middleton, Jake Swindells and then Barrie Wade to give their thoughts.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
Good morning, and welcome to the 19th meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent.
Our business this morning is two evidence sessions on the Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill. I welcome our first panel, which will focus on rural sector and wildlife management interests. Penny Middleton is policy manager from the National Farmers Union Scotland, Ian Duncan Millar is a farmer and chair of Atholl and Breadalbane Fox Control Society and the Scottish Gamekeeper’s Association, Barrie Wade is president of the National Working Terrier Federation, and Jake Swindells is the director of the Scottish Countryside Alliance.
We have approximately 90 minutes. I will kick off, turning to Jake Swindells first. Can you give your overall view of the bill?
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
I have a question before we move on to the next section. The figure of 95 per cent is commendable. On a day when you are out controlling foxes, how many are you likely to shoot?
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Finlay Carson
We are where we are. Do you think that you can propose a licensing system that would work on an annual basis? Would you license a pack or an operator, or a piece of land? How would you see that working?