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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Finally, we have heard for quite some time that some of the code might be about reducing inputs, such as reducing the use of nitrogen on grassland, or of herbicides, or whatever. There will be an almost inevitable reduction in output: if farmers put less fertiliser on their crops, they will get fewer tonnes of silage off their fields. Will a support scheme be considered to bridge the gap during the transition period from current agricultural practices to a system that is seen to be more sustainable and regenerative, as there will be an almost inevitable short-term reduction in outputs?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the evidence session, I think.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is consideration of a negative instrument. Do members wish to make any comments on the instrument?

Members have no comments to make on the instrument. That concludes our proceedings in public.

11:44 Meeting continued in private until 12:08.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Tim Eagle, did you want to come back in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. As there are no further questions from members, we will move on to the next agenda item, which is formal consideration of the motion to approve the instrument. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-15912.

Motion moved,

That the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee recommends that the Rural Support (Improvement) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Jim Fairlie]

Motion agreed to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Minister, this is just a boorach, as they say. One of the committee’s big concerns has been that, in the autumn, we will potentially have a very large number of SSIs and policy detail to deal with, and we have been looking for a timetable for that secondary legislation. We are not going to get the rural support plan until we get some of the mechanisms for delivering what I would suggest should be in the plan, and they are not going to be delivered until a later date.

The plan is supposed to indicate the total amount of support that is expected over a period and describe the way in which that support is to be structured. However, we know that already, because it has already been announced—it is a 70:30 split. So, we are just getting information in dribs and drabs—the very thing that the committee was assured would not happen. We are getting SSIs that deliver some of the aspects of the rural support plan, but they are coming in dribs and drabs. Therefore, the committee’s ability to scrutinise the overall package is limited.

There have been announcements about the split and the total amount of support expected, but nothing else. We have not got the measures that are intended to benefit small producers, tenant farmers, crofters and whoever; we have been told that those will be developed for publication in December. It is all a bit of a mess, and it feels like the interim measures—that is, the legacy schemes that, from what you are saying, will form the bulk of the SSIs that we will see in October—just kick things down the road. The date by which the Government’s intentions should be laid out in the rural support plan is getting further and further away. We had a commitment that the plan would be published in summer 2024, and all we got was a framework. There was no plan—it was a framework.

We feel that we are not any further ahead. We are still operating in a vacuum, in terms of both information and the SSIs, and I am struggling to see how the committee can effectively scrutinise what is coming forward.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

When you were a member of the committee, did you expect that, when the timetable was set out, we were going to have the rural support plan and we would then have the Scottish statutory instruments—the secondary legislation that would put the meat on the bones of the 2024 act? Did you expect us only to be considering SSIs that would continue policies that had been set out in the 2020 act, rather than considering statutory instruments to deliver a new future for agricultural support payments?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you very much, minister.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Finlay Carson

You just said that you are going to have to look at ways in which you can operate better. Is that not a review of co-design?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Inshore Fisheries Management Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Finlay Carson

Do you have the resources to champion science-based approaches? Getting the baseline right is absolutely critical. If you are working within the budget constraints that you have at the moment, is there a realistic chance of science being championed in a way that ensures that future policies are fit for purpose?