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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 March 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay, but that scenario often plays out on a rough shoot.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I will say where I am struggling. We have heard about how intrinsically different fox hunting and hare coursing are and how we can identify those behaviours because of the different dogs that are used and the different behaviours of the dogs. If that is so clear, surely it would be easy to construct an exemption to identify what rough shooting is. Police Scotland would then not have to work out how many beaters there were on a shoot, how many people had guns, which dogs were doing what and whether they were working together, or whatever. Ultimately, doing that would take the police away from ensuring that easily identified areas of illegal activity are being identified and prosecuted.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

My question was: where do you think that cover for illegal activities could be used or rough shooting could be used for cover?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I will go to Alasdair Allan first and then come back to you, Jim.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

One reason why you said that the bill is important is to prevent activity that might happen in the future. Surely that is hypothetical.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Jim Fairlie will lead on topic 2.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of this question session. I appreciate you and your team coming to the committee, minister. I hope that, by stage 3, we will not have a bill that requires students of the future to look at the loopholes, as you had to do. I am sure that we can get to a stage at which the bill is clear and Parliament can accept it.

We will suspend the meeting for 10 minutes to allow the witnesses to change over.

10:08 Meeting suspended.  

10:13 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Avian Flu in Scotland

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Sheila, you mentioned that there might be issues with getting the message out. I suggest that, given the considerable interest that there is in avian flu, your contributions at the meeting will have assisted in doing that. Thank you very much for your detailed and fascinating evidence. We all appreciate it, and I am sure that the wider community will do as well.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

You suggested that the two-dog limit will not have an exemption for rough shooting because, in the future, that might be used as a cover for illegal hunting activity. In what circumstances might rough shooting, as we currently know it, be used as a cover for something illegal?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Finlay Carson

But you are expecting the police to do that.

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