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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Emma Harper has a supplementary question, and then we will hear from Mark Ruskell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

If it is the case that national parks are performing as well as the Government believes that they are and that they are delivering what the Government believes that they have been set out to deliver, why was all that information allowed to influence the decision of the people in Galloway?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. As we have no further questions, that concludes our evidence session. I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for their time this morning.

10:39 Meeting continued in private until 11:36.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. Our third agenda item is an evidence session with the cabinet secretary regarding the decision not to proceed with plans to designate a Galloway and Ayrshire national park. I again welcome Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, and her officials.

We have allocated around an hour for this item of business, and I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. Emma Harper will kick off.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I really struggle with lists, because—you touched on this yourself—we create a list and the focus is then on what is not on the list. From what you are saying, it appears that the objectives in paragraphs (a) to (f) in proposed new section 1(2) are all a bit woolly and that we can fit anything into them. Nowhere does it mention housing, but we hear from the Cairngorms and the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs stakeholders that housing is absolutely key. When we heard evidence on the proposed Galloway national park, one of the concerns was about the cost of housing.

You could fit housing into the bill—you could squeeze it into paragraph (e). However, there is no specific mention of it. Is there any point in having these objectives if you can squeeze anything you like into them? It may well be housing, jobs that pay the living wage or whatever. All of those things are important, but are they really the main aims of the national parks? Would it be better to get rid of the list altogether?

My follow-on point from that is whether there is a priority. We have previously heard that there is not a priority and that all the aims are important. However, they ultimately all go back to paragraph (a):

“restoring and regenerating biodiversity in the area”.

That is the overriding and most important aim of a national park. Are the aims set in a criterion that says, for example, that paragraph (a) is more important than paragraph (d) or that paragraph (e) is more important than paragraph (f)? Is there a chance that planners will use the list to prioritise allowing, disallowing or encouraging certain activities and not others?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Are you open to considering amendments that would add to that list, to address some of the specific issues around, for example, housing or jobs that pay the living wage in the national park? Again, there is scant reference to those who live in the national park. Rhoda Grant previously mentioned visitors and tourism, and there is not a lot in the bill about protecting those who live in a national park. Does that need to be expanded on?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee in 2025. Before we begin, I ask everyone to ensure that electronic devices are switched to silent.

Our first item of business is consideration of whether to take item 4 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Yes. Ultimately, the decision of the people in Galloway appeared to be based on the idea that national parks are not delivering and that they are actually curtailing the ability for areas to be economically sustainable. Again, the view was that national parks just exacerbate problems with the low-wage economy, low-skilled jobs, higher house prices and restrictions on agriculture. If that is not the case, why did that misinformation effectively succeed in persuading the majority of people in Galloway not to back a national park?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

There has been some concern about what the definition of cultural development is. Some have suggested that you should have considered alternative words such as “creative” or “creative arts”. Was there a reason, or much discussion around, why the term “cultural development” was used?