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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2023 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. I remind all those who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent. Ariane Burgess will join us at approximately 9.45, and Emma Harper is substituting for Christine Grahame.

Our first item of business today is an evidence session on the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill. I welcome our first panel of witnesses, who are from the grouse moor management review group. With us are Professor Alan Werritty, the chair; and Professor Ian Newton and Professor Colin Reid, members of the group. We have scheduled about 90 minutes for this session.

I will kick off with the first question. In 2019, the Werritty report recommended that

“a licensing scheme be introduced for the shooting of grouse if, within five years ... there is no marked improvement in the ... sustainability of grouse moor management, as evidenced by the populations of”

certain breeds of raptors. Professor Werritty, is there sufficiently strong evidence of wildlife crime on grouse moors to justify the intervention of licensing? Do you believe that the bill reflects the position that your review intended?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Are you satisfied that the code of conduct deals with the recommendations from the review of medicated grit?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We have jumped around a bit and I am conscious that some members of the committee might not have got to ask the questions that they would like to ask. Does anybody have any further questions on proportionality, workability, reporting and whatever else in this section?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

We will move on to the theme of wildlife traps.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

It is not my position as convener to answer that, but my understanding is that they are not.

Jim, do you have a supplementary on glue traps before we move on to wildlife traps?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

On the light touch, Professor Reid, you said back in 2020 that licences would more or less be approved automatically. How do the licence application tests at proposed new section 16AA(1) and (2) compare with the vision that you had on the light touch? Could what we have in the bill at the moment be improved?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Specifically, are you comfortable with the bit of the bill that says that NatureScot does not have to be satisfied?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

It appears that most of the peat damage is done when fires get out of control, whether they be wildfires or whatever, so it seems quite strange to impose regulations that are based on peat depth.

Following on from that, Professor Werritty, your report suggests the need for an increase in regulatory control relating to the muirburn code. Do you think the bill’s provisions in adequately address that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I will go back to proposed new section 12D on modification, suspension and revocation of licences. It clearly states:

“The relevant authority may ... suspend a wildlife trap licence if, despite the relevant authority not being satisfied as mentioned in paragraph (b)(ii) ... there is an official investigation or proceedings in relation to a suspected relevant offence”.

That takes NatureScot out of the loop. You can voice your concerns that you are not satisfied that an offence has taken place, but a licence can still be suspended. Are you comfortable with that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I call Rachael Hamilton, to be followed by Jim Fairlie.