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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Police Scotland is coming in.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

We are, indeed, lucky. We have a wealth of information on which to base our decisions.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Certainly. It is strange that there are five set frequencies but some plants do not fit in with those.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Someone having a licence is supposed to be the exception, if you like. Is there a danger that decisions on the number of dogs will be arbitrary? As you said, there is an argument that the two-dog limit is being brought in just to stop mounted packs. We want to stop the groups that go out and hunt for pleasure, and the way to do that is to reduce the number of dogs to two. That appears to be what has happened south of the border. We have heard today that there are very few, if any, occasions on which two dogs are used to flush foxes to guns.

In your review, you note Lord Burns’s observation regarding the death of foxes, the crux of which is that the precise cause of death is less important than the speed at which the death occurs. Death by dogs takes a matter of seconds, so it is the pursuit that is the main source of welfare concerns. Naylor and Knott’s research showed that using two dogs rather than a pack can actually result in an increased period of pursuit, so it would not seem logical in most cases.

I am still to find anybody who can tell me where using two dogs would be the most appropriate and animal welfare-minded way to flush foxes. Why should there be an arbitrary two-dog limit when there is no evidence to suggest that that is the most appropriate number of dogs for any work?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I welcome everybody back to the meeting. I welcome to the meeting the Rt Hon Lord Bonomy, whose 2016 report made recommendations to improve the operation of the Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002. With your permission, Lord Bonomy, we will move straight to questions. What is your overall assessment of the situation around hunting with dogs in Scotland, following your review in 2016?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I want to go back to Mr Richards’s response to the question about common frameworks. The notification actually states that the SI is not related to a common framework.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you; that is very useful. Finally, we will move on to part 3 of the bill and enforcement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Are there any further questions on that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

We will move on to licensing under sections 4, 8 and 9 of the bill.