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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thanks.

You mentioned less favoured areas, coupled support and conditionality. What do you want to see in the bill? We expect that it will be very much a framework bill. As you have said, it will provide powers and the ability for payments to be made, but is there anything that you want to see in it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

I will move on to a couple of supplementaries, the first of which is a brief one from me. When we hear Chris Stark of the Climate Change Committee suggesting that we need to reduce meat consumption and cattle numbers, and when non-governmental organisations come to the committee every week and tell us that we need to reduce stock numbers and outputs, do you think that you are winning the argument? If not, what are you doing to ensure that the whole story about critical mass is getting out there? Indeed, what can the agriculture bill do to ensure that we maintain the critical mass that Jim Walker has said we have already reached? If we lose any more of our suckler cows, that is it. We are at the cliff edge. How can the agriculture bill help with that situation?

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Based on what? Scottish Government priorities?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

But how do you quantify that? What is your ask? Would you go to the Treasury and saying, “Can we have £620 million, index linked, over the next few years?”

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

There are about six supplementaries. I know that Rachael Hamilton has to leave the meeting at quarter to 11, so I will bring in Beatrice Wishart, then Rachael Hamilton and then Ariane Burgess.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We sort of have that already with the biosphere in Galloway and southern Ayrshire, which covers around 5,500 km2, but it has no powers, although it got £1.7 million of funding. That model might be an exemplar for a landscape or catchment area type of management. As Rachael Hamilton said, there is a missing link between the commercial side, agriculture and whatever. However, we have a model there, to an extent, for delivering some policies.

Jim Fairlie has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is consideration of an affirmative instrument. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, Mairi Gougeon, and her officials: Kevin Matheson, policy manager in the food and drink industry growth team, and James Hamilton, a lawyer.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2023 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent.

We have received apologies from Ariane Burgess and Mercedes Villalba.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take agenda item 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Alasdair Allan will, I hope, move on to something more positive.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is pre-legislative scrutiny of Scotland’s future agricultural policy. Our evidence session will focus on biodiversity, and we will take evidence from NatureScot. I welcome to the meeting Ross Lilley, head of natural resource management, and his colleague Professor Des Thompson, principal adviser on biodiversity and science, who join us remotely.

As normal, I ask you to type R in the chat box if you wish to speak. Given that there are only two of you, allowing that should not be too difficult. We have approximately 60 minutes for questioning. I thank you for joining us.

I will kick off with a broad question. Will you give us an indication of the drivers of biodiversity loss within agriculture? What changes have driven that loss historically? What practices have led to the decline or maintain pressures on biodiversity today?

We will kick off with Ross Lilley.