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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

No—it is my opinion. Thanks, Alasdair.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you, convener. First, I should probably declare an interest as a species champion for the native oyster bed. I am in the unique position of being a species champion who can actually eat the species that he is trying to protect, and I enjoy the odd one, I must admit. This morning, we have heard about crowded seas and marine spatial squeeze. We are now seeing a policy squeeze, with crowded ministerial responsibilities. One reason why I am here today is that there is still a fluffy idea of who takes responsibility.

We have discussed marine issues in our committee, particularly the lack of fit-for-purpose data. How much is actually collected properly, and how much is modelled? That is a concern. We saw clearly from the Bute house agreement-driven Clyde cod box debacle, that embarrassing situation in which Marine Scotland officers tried to defend inadequate data in order to change policy, that there are issues there. From the rural affairs point of view, we understand that creating a biodiversity-positive marine environment is of critical importance, but we cannot forget the socioeconomic impact of policies; that is equally important. Arguments are often made without touching on the positive or negative aspects of socioeconomic impact, because they sometimes just do not fit the narrative of the groups or organisations that are trying to promote a particular point of view.

In agriculture, rural land use partnerships bring all the stakeholders together and are supposed to look at landscape-scale policies and the impact that they have across the board. I was surprised that no one touched on regional inshore fisheries groups, which are supposed to be the groups in which fishermen and stakeholders can give their input and comment on policies. Does that suggest that the Government is not serious about engaging with the fishing industry through those regional inshore groups? As far as I can see, they are inadequately funded and not really fit for purpose. Could I have your comments specifically on whether regional inshore fisheries groups have a role in ensuring that we can have a biodiversity plan that works for biodiversity and for fishing communities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Finlay Carson

The delivery plan does not appear to be costed, and you have touched on an equivalent of a financial memorandum. However, it is very ambitious. It is a bit like the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill in that it is very ambitious, there are no boundaries to it and we do not know how much it will cost. Do we need to be more pragmatic going forward? Ambition is good, but not if you cannot deliver on your ambitions and if there are targets that cannot possibly be met. There is an argument that climate change targets are far too ambitious and that we need to be more pragmatic. Does this plan need to be more pragmatic to deliver effectively?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

I am delighted that you suggested that the committee should take that role, because it was discussed last week whether the Parliament should have a role in scrutinising the rural action plan, given its importance, and in ensuring that it is adequate to deliver the Government’s vision. Thank you for that—that was going to be my next question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Lorna Cole, I appreciate that your time is limited. Would you like to come in on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you, Alasdair. We have written. I do not think that this is the time to raise that matter.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

As a former farmer, I assure you that the same applies when it comes to training for farmers. The stick certainly does not help.

Liz Barron-Majerik, do you want to say a final word on that topic?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

I have a question before I bring in Nigel Miller. Are you suggesting that what is currently in the bill might be too restrictive because of what people understand CPD to be, which might not include the idea of farmers getting together round a kitchen table or over a pint to discuss something? We saw that working successfully after the foot and mouth disease outbreak, so should it be mentioned in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Ross, you commented on EU alignment, given the bill’s powers to create brand-new policies.

11:30  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Rachael Hamilton has a supplementary question.