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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
Our next item of business is our third round-table discussion on the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill. Today’s evidence session will focus on on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation. We will also discuss the bill more widely. We have up to three hours for discussion.
I welcome to the meeting David Harley, chief officer, circular economy, Scottish Environment Protection Agency; Stuart Goodall, chief executive, Confor; Kirsty Tait, director for Scotland, Food, Farming and Countryside Commission Scotland; Ross Lilley, head of natural resource management, NatureScot; Professor Dave Reay, executive director, Edinburgh Climate Change Institute; Ross MacLeod, head of policy for Scotland, Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust; and Vicki Swales, head of land use policy, RSPB Scotland. Joining us remotely are Professor Davy McCracken, head of the integrated land management department, Scotland’s Rural College; Euan Ross, Scotland manager, Nature Friendly Farming Network; Eleanor Kay, senior policy adviser, Scottish Land & Estates; and Alastair Seaman, director for Scotland, Woodland Trust.
We have a lot of participants, so I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers. Please indicate to me or the clerk when you wish to respond to a question. If you feel that your point has already been made, please simply indicate that you agree and we will move on to the next question.
We will look at the various themes and the four objectives of the agricultural policy that is set out in the bill. I will kick off. First, I seek your views on what
“the facilitation of on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation”
means and whether the bill as it stands will deliver that.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
We hear everyone saying that things “should be” in secondary legislation, but do we need to set out in the bill that that needs to happen, or do we just expect it to happen? We are all saying that terms such as “landscape-scale” or “collaboration” need to be included and that we need to define them in secondary legislation. Do we need to put something into the bill that forces or obliges the Government to produce those things, or do we just let it happen?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
Five people have indicated that they want to come in, but I will bring in Jim Fairlie, because he has a supplementary question following on from Kirsty Tait’s comments.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
I beg your pardon—I mean Ross Lilley.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
We have three Rosses—I thought that the Daves were going to be confusing. We have Dave, David and Davy, and we also have Ross, Ross and Euan Ross. [Laughter.]
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
Thank you. I will bring in Ross MacLeod and then Vicki Swales.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
Our third item of business is consideration of consent notifications relating to two UK statutory instruments.
As no members have comments on the notifications, are members content to agree with the Scottish Government’s decision to consent to the provisions that are set out in the notifications being included in UK, rather than Scottish, subordinate legislation?
Members indicated agreement.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
That concludes our business in public.
12:06 Meeting continued in private until 12:26.Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
Okay. We have arrived at the end of our evidence session on time, which I very much appreciate. I wonder how many Maltesers I get for finishing 15 seconds before our deadline. Thank you all very much for your valued contributions, which will help to form our views when we move towards the stage 1 report.
I suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave and to give members a short comfort break.
12:00 Meeting suspended.Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Finlay Carson
I will throw in another thought: we also need a workforce to deliver this. Where is the workforce with regard to mental health, women in agriculture and new entrants? Should that be an obligation that needs to be considered as part of the plan?
I will bring in Vicki Swales to address that and Ariane Burgess’s point.