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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Ross Ewing wants to comment on that point, after which we will move on to the next question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, I remind everyone to switch their electronic devices to silent.

We have received apologies from Evelyn Tweed. I welcome Mark Ruskell, who is joining us as our newest member, and take this opportunity to thank Ariane Burgess for her contribution to the committee’s work since the beginning of the parliamentary session. Edward Mountain will also be joining us at some stage this morning.

The first item on our agenda is consideration of the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. Today, our focus will be on part 4 of the bill, which is on deer management. First, we will hear from representatives of NatureScot. We will then host a round-table discussion with nine stakeholders who have an interest in deer management in Scotland.

Edward Mountain has joined us. Would you like to make any declarations of interest?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We are now joined by nine stakeholders who have an interest in deer management—I do not know whether that is a herd, a flock or a cacophony, but you are all welcome. I will invite you all to introduce yourselves in a moment.

We have allocated approximately two hours for the discussion. As you will have seen from the previous session, we have many questions to get through, so I ask everybody to be succinct in their questions and answers. Some questions will warrant no more than a yes or no response—I know that that may be incredibly difficult—but other questions will require more discussion so that we can hear the various voices. I ask you to indicate to me or to the clerks if you wish to participate at any point. It is not expected that everybody will speak to every point, especially if you feel that the point has already been made. Likewise, if you feel that a part of the discussion does not relate to your area of expertise, you should not feel that you need to respond to every question.

I remind you that you do not need to operate your microphones—we have a gentleman who will do that for you. I invite you all to introduce yourselves, starting with Dick Playfair, on my left.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

How does that work in practice? Is it about making sure that your guest is within sight when they are shooting? Is that effectively what it means? If you were accompanying a visitor, would you need to be in earshot, eyeshot or whatever for that to be allowed?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

We talked about the refereeing and NatureScot effectively being able to authorise someone being on the register who does not have the DSC1 qualification. It would be helpful to the committee if we knew that that work was starting now, so that we know what the transition to the new authorisation will be. Would you take that on now, a bit like the code of practice, and start working on it so that the committee and the Parliament can have confidence that we will not fall off a cliff edge?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

You talk about landscape scale. How will that work with the voluntary arrangement, when you might have people opting in or opting out? Will that increase the number of times that you will have to statutorily, rather than voluntarily, enforce deer numbers? Have you considered that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I suppose that what I am trying to get at is that the code of practice will play a critical role. It is almost as though there is a framework bill and the code of practice then puts the meat on the bones. Should that code of practice undergo more scrutiny from the Parliament and not just be left to NatureScot to pull together, whether through co-design or whatever? Does the code of practice need oversight from the Parliament?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

There might need to be something in secondary legislation that clearly defines what might be in the public interest, given the changing scene and other pieces of legislation, to make sure that stakeholders know what is coming down the road and whether it is proportionate and addresses what the bill is supposed to achieve.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. Did you want to come in, Donald?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

It might not make a practical difference, but, surely, the legal obligation under a control scheme is quite burdensome. If a voluntary agreement could be reached between NatureScot and a new owner, would that not be more proportionate?