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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

This question might be one for Jamie. Does the bill need to address the inadequacies, the lack of resourcing and whatever? Again, I want to go back to local authorities. Often, the energy consents unit will put on obligations or planning conditions to address issues that are raised in an EIA, but the obligation to monitor whether the mitigations, monitoring or whatever have been put in place fall back on the local authority, which does not have the resources to do that.

Whether it is testing water quality or counting to make sure that a number of crested newts have been relocated or whatever, do we need a provision in the bill to ensure that any statutory obligations or constraints that are put on planning can be monitored and mitigated by—in many cases—the local authority?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Should there be further requirements in the bill for the Government to consult with the wider scientific world and then for the Parliament to decide whether that consultation is adequate to deliver the aims of the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of our session. Thank you all very much for your time. It is much appreciated. As often happens, the discussion has raised more questions than answers, but we appreciate your time and commitment.

11:57 Meeting continued in private until 12:24.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the questions on part 1. I propose that we have a five-minute comfort break and resume just after 5 to 11.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

10:59 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We will certainly come to a question that focuses on that area.

On safeguards, the bill does not have a non-regression provision. Does that need to be included? Why has it not been included?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before Jamie Whittle comes in, I will ask my next question, because it relates to this point directly. It is about environmental safeguards or other limitations on the powers that are currently in the draft bill. Do we need to protect certain core aspects of regimes from being amended in secondary legislation? That ties in with some of the responses that we have just heard. Jamie, that might be one for you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You mentioned the need to provide encouragement. How can we incentivise the transformational change that is needed? Should we use the carrot or the stick? Does the bill do that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I apologise—you are Rob, not Bob. I should have checked that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You said that it is hard for us to experience that. There are different priorities, are there not? It is easy to set climate change targets by looking at the levels of carbon dioxide, methane and so on, which can be measured fairly simply. Biodiversity is a completely different challenge. If we want to protect ground-nesting birds, we need to do more to address predators. When we are talking about other small mammals, we must look seriously at the impact of badgers on the environment. How on earth do we set targets that identify individual species but have a far broader impact on general biodiversity net gain?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I think that I inadvertently opened up another line of discussion. I will jump forward and bring in Elena Whitham.