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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent.

I welcome back to the committee Mercedes Villalba, who will join us for agenda item 1.

The first item is consideration of the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. At today’s meeting, we will take evidence from a panel of representatives from environmental non-governmental organisations. I welcome to the meeting Rea Cris from Open Seas, Calum Duncan from the Marine Conservation Society, Dr Nick Hesford from the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust, Dan Paris from Scottish Environmental LINK, Nikki Sinclair from Action to Protect Rural Scotland, Ailis Watt from RSPB Scotland, and Bruce Wilson from the Scottish Wildlife Trust.

We have allocated about two hours for the discussion. That seems like a long time, but we have an awful lot of questions and a lot of witnesses, so I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers. There will be some questions that just warrant a yes or a no response. Please indicate to the clerk or to me if you wish to participate, but there is no expectation that everybody will participate in every question; if they did, two hours would not be adequate. Likewise, if you feel that part of the discussion does not relate to your area of expertise, do not feel that you need to answer.

You will not need to operate your microphones; we have a gentleman here who will do that for you.

We will kick off with a nice, easy question. Do you support the introduction of statutory biodiversity targets? If so, what impact do you expect those legal targets to have in practice, compared with the current approach? Are you satisfied that those targets should be set in secondary legislation?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Are there any thoughts about the targets being set in secondary legislation?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

In practice, how will there be a difference in the policy approach to legally binding targets?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That is my understanding, too. It is about ensuring that, if a disease moves from one species to another, regulations are in place to allow control. In fact, paragraph 5 sets that out when it talks about a virus “of avian origin”.

As there are no other questions, that concludes the public part of the meeting.

12:47 Meeting continued in private until 13:03.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move on, I note that the Government’s response was to decide

“that a Strategic Environmental Assessment was not required”,

nor was “a Habitats Regulations Assessment”. Do you have concerns about that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Therefore, is there any benefit to having such a list in the bill? Surely, it could just be part of the guidance.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That leads us on to the next question, which will be asked by Tim Eagle.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will now ask some questions on part 3 of the bill, which is on national parks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I was going to bring in Evelyn Tweed to ask a question, but that response takes us to a question about how the targets would be reviewed and monitored, so I will jump to that. The bill provides for reporting every three years and a review of the targets every 10 years, but we are not sure what would happen if a target was missed. Does anyone have comments on the bill’s review and monitoring provisions?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Are you saying that you do not think that ESS is an appropriate body to do the review, given its current role as an environmental watchdog?