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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you. I call Kate Forbes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

The issue of subsidy control is not relevant to the topic that we are discussing at the moment.

Ariane Burgess has a question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Absolutely. I call Rachael Hamilton.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Pete Ritchie and Jennie Macdiarmid, then we will move on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Tim Bailey has indicated that he wants to come in, but we will move first to Jennie Macdiarmid. We need to focus a little bit more if we are to make progress.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Should there be other objectives in the text of the bill? You talked about a fifth objective. We have only four objectives, but the common agricultural policy has 10. Should there be more objectives in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

That is all very well, but we have in front of us the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill. Is there any indication in the bill as it is currently drafted that all the things to which you aspire, and which you suggest are going to be delivered, will be delivered? Where in the bill does it suggest that that is going to happen?

Do we simply have to rely on the Government coming forward with secondary legislation that fulfils all your ambitions? I do not see those things that you are describing in the text of the bill. I do not see a link to land reform, the biodiversity strategy or the climate change plan. Where do you get your confidence that the bill will deliver everything to which you aspire and which you believe that it will deliver?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Just for clarification, Scottish ministers may make regulations on guidance but the guidance itself will not come under any form of parliamentary scrutiny. We must be clear that those are two different things.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

We have to be clear about this. As I have said before, this is the business end of the bill. We can talk about aspirations, but if something is not written into the bill about how we ensure that our aspirations are realised, there is little point in talking about it.

I will bring in Jonnie Hall, to be followed by Lesley Mitchell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Finlay Carson

Why does the bill not simply refer to the adoption of a code of practice, rather than saying that

“the adoption and use of sustainable and regenerative”

agriculture is one of the objectives?