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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We have a brief supplementary from Mark Ruskell, and then we will move on to the next question from Elena Whitham.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I will briefly suspend the meeting for a comfort break of, I hope, less than five minutes.

10:29 Meeting suspended.  

10:36 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. Our next questions are on part 2 of the bill, “Power to modify or restate environmental impact assessment legislation and habitats regulations”.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before Mark Ruskell asks his next question, I should say that Scottish Renewables was invited to attend but was not available.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move away from the subject of national parks, I want to touch on what is not in the bill in that regard. Everyone will be aware of the controversy about the potential designation of a national park in Galloway. There is concern about how the decision that Galloway would be the sole contender for that designation was arrived at, and the lack of transparency about or understanding of how we got to that point. There is nothing in the legislation that sets out the route for an area to be identified as a candidate for a national park.

Whichever side of the argument people are on—whether they are pro or anti national parks—I do not think that there is any doubt that the process has been a car crash that has caused a lot of division. There are many polarised views. Ultimately, the process has totally derailed what should have been a very positive experience and one that was similar to the experience 25 years ago, when the first designations took place. At the weekend, we heard from stakeholders that 300 or 400 businesses got very actively involved in setting up the Cairngorms national park, and we heard how businesses, individuals and communities played a massive part in that. With the proposed Galloway national park, that has been completely absent.

There has not been a clear indication of what the proposed national park would be. Should there be something in legislation to make clearer the Government’s obligations to ensure that the process to designate new national parks is more engaging and contains more information? One of the problems is that there is a massive vacuum in relation to how the new national park might look. We are always told that Galloway is an area of intensive forestry, intensive farming and intensive renewables, which is unlike any other national park in the world. We are told that it will be different, but not in what way. Should the legislation on national parks have contained more direction on future policy on the designation of parks, given the mess that the current process is in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move away from the subject of national parks, I want to touch on what is not in the bill in that regard. Everyone will be aware of the controversy about the potential designation of a national park in Galloway. There is concern about how the decision that Galloway would be the sole contender for that designation was arrived at, and the lack of transparency about or understanding of how we got to that point. There is nothing in the legislation that sets out the route for an area to be identified as a candidate for a national park.

Whichever side of the argument people are on—whether they are pro or anti national parks—I do not think that there is any doubt that the process has been a car crash that has caused a lot of division. There are many polarised views. Ultimately, the process has totally derailed what should have been a very positive experience and one that was similar to the experience 25 years ago, when the first designations took place. At the weekend, we heard from stakeholders that 300 or 400 businesses got very actively involved in setting up the Cairngorms national park, and we heard how businesses, individuals and communities played a massive part in that. With the proposed Galloway national park, that has been completely absent.

There has not been a clear indication of what the proposed national park would be. Should there be something in legislation to make clearer the Government’s obligations to ensure that the process to designate new national parks is more engaging and contains more information? One of the problems is that there is a massive vacuum in relation to how the new national park might look. We are always told that Galloway is an area of intensive forestry, intensive farming and intensive renewables, which is unlike any other national park in the world. We are told that it will be different, but not in what way. Should the legislation on national parks have contained more direction on future policy on the designation of parks, given the mess that the current process is in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

If Professor Tett wishes to come in, I am sure that we can bring him in after the next question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

As part of the salmon inquiry, we were informed about the pilots of the single-case flow approach, which co-ordinated SEPA’s CAR licensing process, along with local authorities. That was on-going in Shetland and the Highlands. The independent valuation was supposed to be published in April, but that has not been done yet, as far as I am aware.

On SEPA’s responsibility, the Scottish Government says:

“Work is underway to consider how best to implement assessment and regulation of fish farm discharges between 3-12 nautical miles”.

Do we have the cart before the horse? Are we looking to approve an SSI before the work has been done to allow those applications to navigate that process successfully?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Beatrice Wishart has a brief supplementary, then we will go back to Tim Eagle.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent.

I welcome back to the committee Mercedes Villalba, who will join us for agenda item 1.

The first item is consideration of the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. At today’s meeting, we will take evidence from a panel of representatives from environmental non-governmental organisations. I welcome to the meeting Rea Cris from Open Seas, Calum Duncan from the Marine Conservation Society, Dr Nick Hesford from the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust, Dan Paris from Scottish Environmental LINK, Nikki Sinclair from Action to Protect Rural Scotland, Ailis Watt from RSPB Scotland, and Bruce Wilson from the Scottish Wildlife Trust.

We have allocated about two hours for the discussion. That seems like a long time, but we have an awful lot of questions and a lot of witnesses, so I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers. There will be some questions that just warrant a yes or a no response. Please indicate to the clerk or to me if you wish to participate, but there is no expectation that everybody will participate in every question; if they did, two hours would not be adequate. Likewise, if you feel that part of the discussion does not relate to your area of expertise, do not feel that you need to answer.

You will not need to operate your microphones; we have a gentleman here who will do that for you.

We will kick off with a nice, easy question. Do you support the introduction of statutory biodiversity targets? If so, what impact do you expect those legal targets to have in practice, compared with the current approach? Are you satisfied that those targets should be set in secondary legislation?