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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Would any other members like to comment?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

There will be a division.

For

Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Hamilton, Rachael (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)

Abstentions

Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Burgess, Ariane (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Whitham, Elena (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

The question is, that amendment 110 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

The question is, that amendment 111 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Before we move on, I welcome to the committee Karen Adam, who is substituting for Kate Forbes, who has had to leave the meeting.

I now call Rachael Hamilton to speak to—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Please continue.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Good. I call Rachael Hamilton to speak to amendment 114 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Cabinet secretary, will you take an intervention?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

Cabinet secretary, I respectfully suggest that you have thrown a grenade at these amendments, which seek to give some reassurance around the single most important issue in the bill: the rural support plan. The topic of this being a framework bill has been discussed by the Conveners Group, and the rural support plan was probably the one thing that was going to give stakeholders and parliamentarians some reassurance that there was a degree of understanding of this issue.

You have, on numerous occasions, suggested that you will lodge amendments at stage 3. Given that we really are at the business end of this and that we have only a matter of weeks before the Parliament will be asked to approve the bill as amended, I suggest that you commit to coming back to the committee with your suggestions for amendments to address some stakeholders’ concerns and to discussing them with the committee as a whole. That would give us an ideal opportunity to discuss the matter fully. I am concerned about your amendments being lodged at the very last minute and committee members—indeed, any parliamentarian—not having the time to re-lodge their own amendments. Would you consider coming back to the committee to discuss your views on how you will bring all these things together?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Finlay Carson

I get that, but why would you be reluctant to discuss any amendments with us as a group? You mentioned taking a holistic approach. The committee’s report suggested that more information was needed on the issue, but we did not get that. We did not get a significant response to our concerns during the stage 1 debate in the chamber, and we are not really getting any further reassurances about the type of amendments that you intend to lodge at stage 3. I am wondering why, prior to lodging those amendments, you are reluctant to discuss them at a committee meeting?