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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

The UK Energy Act 2023 already allows Scottish ministers to amend certain parts of the habitats regulations. That is in recognition of the fact that we need to develop offshore wind farms at pace and at scale, but it also affects other activities that are associated with grid connections and so on. That sort of ties in with section 3(b) and section 3(c). It is about how we get the balance right.

To give a practical example, we have recently seen a major pylon upgrade from Glenlee to Kendoon—the Tongland upgrade. There were about 1,000 objections to that—nobody was in favour of the upgrade. It went to public inquiry, and the reporter suggested that the impact of the development on biodiversity and landscape was unacceptable. However, the Scottish ministers decided that the benefits of protecting the security of the electricity supply overrode all of that, much to the disappointment of campaigners. I believe that that development will potentially go to judicial review.

Will the new legislation—section 3(b) in particular—make it easier for the Government to do that and justify potentially damaging biodiversity and landscapes? Is it likely to make it easier for them to go—as we say in here—at pace and at the scale required? Again, the issue is about protections.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is the general feeling at the moment that the scope of the powers that a future Government could bring in via secondary legislation has no limit and that the bill should expressly provide for safeguards to limit those powers or to protect certain core elements of what we have now?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will now look at part 2 of the bill, “Power to modify or restate environmental impact assessment legislation and habitats regulations”. We will kick off with a question from Rhoda Grant.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent.

The first item on our agenda is consideration of the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. At today’s meeting, we will take evidence on parts 1 and 2 of the bill from a panel of academics and experts in biodiversity policy. I will invite you all to introduce yourselves in a minute.

We have allocated approximately two hours for the discussion, and we have quite a few questions to get through. Given that we have quite a few participants, I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers. There will be some questions for which a straight “Yes” or “No” will suffice. At other times, you might want to agree with someone who has already given the same view as yours. However, do not feel that you need to participate at any great length on each question. There is no expectation that you will speak on every point. If part of the discussion does not relate to your area of expertise, do not feel that you need to participate.

I remind you that you do not have to operate your microphone. We have a gentleman here who will do that for you.

We will kick off, and I ask Jamie Whittle to introduce himself.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Rob Brooker, you talked about LIDAR. I know that the Government made a big announcement about that initiative a few months ago, saying that it was coming in on the back of a demand for those surveys, although I do not know where the demand came from. Will the LIDAR initiative be practically possible? Will it return results that will help farming in terms of biodiversity? Is it realistic? What sort of timescales are we looking at?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you, all—you are most welcome. We have received apologies from Professor James Harrison, who intended to be here this morning but, unfortunately, has not been able to join us.

I will kick off by looking at part 1 of the bill and the targets for improving biodiversity. We are all aware that we are in a nature crisis, but what is the need for and value of statutory targets? In the past, the Scottish Government has consistently failed to meet non-statutory biodiversity targets. Why will it be any different this time round?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Thanks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Will the authorisation be linked to properties or to individuals? Will there be the ability to do both?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I am glad that you put on record your declaration of interests at the start of the meeting, Mr Mountain.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I have a couple of quick questions. We talked about incentivisation. Should sporting rates play a role? Sporting rates are a very traditional tax. Could incentivisation occur by reducing sporting rates if certain objectives were met? Should we consider that as part of our work?