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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We will certainly come to a question that focuses on that area.

On safeguards, the bill does not have a non-regression provision. Does that need to be included? Why has it not been included?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before Jamie Whittle comes in, I will ask my next question, because it relates to this point directly. It is about environmental safeguards or other limitations on the powers that are currently in the draft bill. Do we need to protect certain core aspects of regimes from being amended in secondary legislation? That ties in with some of the responses that we have just heard. Jamie, that might be one for you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You mentioned the need to provide encouragement. How can we incentivise the transformational change that is needed? Should we use the carrot or the stick? Does the bill do that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I apologise—you are Rob, not Bob. I should have checked that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You said that it is hard for us to experience that. There are different priorities, are there not? It is easy to set climate change targets by looking at the levels of carbon dioxide, methane and so on, which can be measured fairly simply. Biodiversity is a completely different challenge. If we want to protect ground-nesting birds, we need to do more to address predators. When we are talking about other small mammals, we must look seriously at the impact of badgers on the environment. How on earth do we set targets that identify individual species but have a far broader impact on general biodiversity net gain?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I think that I inadvertently opened up another line of discussion. I will jump forward and bring in Elena Whitham.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That takes me on to a supplementary question. The consultation in 2023 said that successful targets will need to incentivise transformative change and ensure that biodiversity is mainstreamed into all levels of government. Given the past record of the Government, how will the bill achieve that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

When we had farmer stakeholders here, we heard that there is a sense of complete inertia when it comes to forming policy. You sit on a biodiversity forum. The agriculture reform implementation oversight board was described as a fig leaf for doing nothing. Will we see plans being developed at the pace that we know is needed? Will co-design be part of this, or, ultimately, will we just not make the progress that we need?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Emma Harper, do you have any further questions?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Jamie, do you want to come in?