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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Does any member wish to debate the motion?

As no member wishes to debate the motion, is the committee content to recommend approval of the instrument?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

There will be a division.

For

Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Tweed, Evelyn (Stirling) (SNP)
Whitham, Elena (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)

Against

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

The committee will report on the outcome of the instrument in due course, and I invite the committee to delegate authority to me, as convener, to finalise the report for publication. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

What are Brendan Callaghan’s views on how Scottish forestry or commercial forestry in general might evidence ecosystem health now and how that might be improved in the future? We have heard in previous evidence sessions about the lack of data on ecosystems and biodiversity in forestry. How could a target on ecosystem health affect Scottish forestry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is there a risk that we could end up with an endless list, with the focus then on the things that were excluded from the list rather than those that were on it? You could argue that indigenous species or indigenous populations should be protected or that there should be a focus on sustainable economic regeneration or development. Those things are included in other bullet points but they are not specifically set out in the bill. I apologise to any planners who are watching, but we know what planners are like. Could having what appears to be a hierarchy of objectives lead to unintended outcomes? Katherine Leys, is that possible? I presume that the shrug of your shoulders suggests that that could be a possibility.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Katherine Leys, it might be one for you, given your experience of national parks and the role that you play.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That is quite damning. You have suggested that you do the work but, in effect, the reports then gather dust on a shelf somewhere and there is no change in direction or guidance on how you might change your current management practices.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Dumfries and Galloway, in particular, has one of the most intensive commercial forestry areas in the whole United Kingdom. Indeed, it is probably one of the biggest areas that Scottish Forestry manages, with extensive commercial woodlands. Are you concerned about the potential for the minister to designate Galloway as a national park? Would that cause you issues with your current plans for commercial forestry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move on, I have a question that is still on public bodies’ role in meeting targets. In 2018, the Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee conducted an inquiry into compliance with the biodiversity and biodiversity reporting duties on public bodies. The committee suggested that there was a low level of compliance with the reporting duty, and that was closely linked with a lack of compliance with the biodiversity duty as well. The evidence suggested that there was a lack of awareness of what actions public bodies could and should be taking to comply with the biodiversity duty. Is that still the situation? I suppose that that is a question for NatureScot. Is this still an issue, and is it something that we need to seriously address going forward, or are we at a stage, now, where that information is being provided to public bodies to ensure that they understand their obligations?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

To wrap this up, biodiversity data will be key to the bill’s effectiveness—it will be the fundamental basis for measuring everything. Will organisations and public bodies such as yours look at full cost recovery for the work to collect biodiversity data? For example, when Crown Estate Scotland leases the sea bed for fish farms or offshore wind, will it look at licensing that covers the costs of gathering the biodiversity data as base data and improving that over the time of a project? The same question goes for Scottish Forestry or the commercial side of forestry. Should that cost be passed on? If not, how else will such work be funded? It is obvious that there will not be the capacity financially or in resources generally to deliver the biodiversity data that will be needed.