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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before you come in, Dr Leys, I have a question for Brendan Callaghan, who has given us a very technical response—which I must admit went right over my head. It appears to be a massive sledgehammer to crack a tiny nut. You have come up with one example. This is a huge, overarching power and it is still not clear why it is needed to resolve the issue that you described. You have also talked about things that might happen, but I do not think that, as a committee, we find it very easy to pass just-in-case legislation, particularly when that overarching power will be hugely extended. Is it proportionate to take such a power to address that one issue?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Just on that example, is NatureScot currently utilising the ability to add missing features? On our recent visit to the Cairngorms, we saw birch and willow in some areas of open space. Does NatureScot not have the ability to add missing features without having to be provided with any extensive extra powers?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I want to cover some of the topics that we have just heard about. First, a lot of stakeholders have told us that they see no reason for part 2. They are concerned that it gives the Government broad, sweeping powers that they do not feel are necessary, and they feel that a lot of existing provisions already give the flexibility that the Government is seeking. They were also concerned about the bill’s not including a non-regression provision and that, as we have heard, the overriding objectives have not been clearly defined.

Are you confident that the principles that you have set out in your submission about maintaining

“a high level of environmental protection”

and

“ensuring Scotland keeps pace”

can be delivered within the bill as drafted, or do further amendments need to be made other than those relating to how secondary legislation might be dealt with by the Parliament?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I have just a quick question. We were quite baffled by the reasons that the bill team gave initially for including part 2 in the bill; indeed, the only example that they gave was the ability to digitise EIAs. Could guidance be used when it comes to digitising EIAs, or is primary legislation needed for that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

So, there might be some scope in that respect.

As we have no further questions, I thank Alan Hunt and Neil Langhorn very much for their succinct and helpful responses to our questions and for joining us this morning.

That concludes our business in public, so we will now move into private session.

12:47 Meeting continued in private until 12:58.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Would anyone else like to come in? Everybody is looking at the desk in front of them.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

The implication is that that is not implicit and that it needs to be—if I am reading between the lines correctly.

We will move on to part 3, on national parks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We have heard that some of the planning applications are quite complex and resource intensive, but we also heard from one local authority that believed that, as you have stated, they will not all come along at once but will start to come in gradually and slowly.

However, it is our understanding that the applications are not processed on a full cost recovery basis, which might put financial strains on local authorities. If more applications were to come forward, would the Scottish Government increase fees to allow for full cost recovery or, at least, put in place some mechanism to ensure full cost recovery?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I call Beatrice Wishart.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings our questions to an end. Thank you very much, Mr Triscott, for joining us this morning.

We now move to formal consideration of the instrument. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-17363.

Motion moved,

That the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee recommends that the Town and Country Planning (Marine Fish Farming) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]