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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

I absolutely refute the idea that this is a waste of time, because it is giving Parliament the opportunity to scrutinise what the Government is doing. Having an earlier deadline than 2030 allows the committee to get you and your officials in front of us to carry out proper scrutiny, whereas, if we pass these regulations, there will be no opportunity, legally, to bring you back—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

Please continue.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

As long as it is short. I want to bring in Emma Harper.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

I do not think that there is a misunderstanding about what the SSI will do. There is absolutely no misunderstanding among committee members, nor in the responses that we got. We understand exactly what the SSI will do. It is a payment mechanism—that is all.

The concern is about how the 2030 date fits in with the route map, because there is no ambition with a 2030 deadline. I know that you are saying that the date allows for flexibility, but it does not fit in with your route map, because 2030 is well beyond when you need to deliver.

There are real concerns about the pace at which cross-industry discussions will take place regarding retargeting and rebasing. The SSI raises a range of concerns, but I make it absolutely clear that there is no misunderstanding about what the instrument itself will do.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

In summary, then, one of the main issues—if not the main issue—is the extension of the deadline to 2030. Although it could be argued that that gives some certainty, it is not the sort of certainty that the industry needs. In effect, it does not send a message that we want to get the job done.

Given that there is time for the instrument to be laid again and to come before the committee and be approved prior to 1 January—that is clear, because it is a 40-day process—would the minister be minded to withdraw the instrument and re-lay it with an extension to 2027? That is all the clarity that we have at the moment with regard to the route map, but it would send the right message that the Government is serious about building the new schemes and the co-design process, and that it will not, by extending the deadline to 2030, potentially kick those schemes into the long grass.

It is not a big ask, and it would not affect payments. Moreover, it would let the industry see that the Government was serious about putting in place the new schemes. It would be simple to withdraw the instrument and re-lay it with an extension to 2027 rather than 2030. Based on the consultation responses that we have had, that would make a lot of difference.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

As there are no further comments, I conclude agenda item 1. We now move to formal consideration of the motion to approve the instrument.

Motion moved,

That the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee recommends that the Rural Development (Continuation of Operation) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 [draft] be approved.—[Jim Fairlie]

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

I am very disappointed that the minister will not consider withdrawing the instrument and bringing the date back from 2030 to 2027, given that the majority of the responses that we have had through the call for views suggested that that was the main issue.

One response that we got was from a former NFUS president. and I will quote from it, because it says it all. The respondent said:

“while I recognise that this flexibility is to be appreciated as the new policy is developed it also indicates that there is little confidence in concluding this soon. As a farmer, it creates many dilemmas in making business decisions not knowing what policy will be in place and at what time.”

The request to consider a date of 2027 is not unreasonable, given that we have no indication of what the route map will look like after 2027. Despite our asking the minister, previous to this session, no clear reason has been given as to why the 2027 date could not be adopted.

I am sure that, had that been the case, the instrument would have passed without debate, and it would have sent the message to the industry that there was a desire to keep the pace up and deliver the necessary change that is needed by the industry. I am disappointed, therefore, that there seems to be, as Rachael Hamilton has said, a degree of intransigence over something that really should not cause any problems.

Minister, would you like to respond?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Finlay Carson

Before we move to Emma Harper, I seek some clarification. What detail is there in the route map beyond 2027?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will move on to our next theme.