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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

In the earlier evidence session this morning, the definition of

“management of foxes and mink below ground”

was discussed, and it was suggested that that should be broadened. I do not know whether you agree with that, but perhaps both of you could write to the committee on where you think that the definitions in the bill could be improved.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I will ask for something to be given to the committee. Mr Macleod, you mentioned the Otterburn project. I know that it is possibly something that we can find online, but it could be beneficial for the committee to look at the references to the Otterburn project that relate to this bill. Mr Orr-Ewing, it would be interesting to know whether the RSPB used the Otterburn project as part of your evidence-based approach to management.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

That is an interesting point, because the civil servant said last week that the defence would not be able to be proved. It is therefore a bone of contention.

Penny, would you like to come in?

09:45  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We are talking very technically here. A lot of people do not understand why we need to control pests. We have a huge land mass, but most people live in the city. I direct this question to Penny Middleton. What happens on land if rabbits, foxes, mink and other species are not controlled?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I now come to my proper questions. You have all said that different terrains are an issue. Given that there will be a broad range of applications for licences, how will NatureScot understand the number of dogs that should be involved in an action?

Secondly, what happens to the dogs if they are not working? For example, if NatureScot does not understand the density of a forest and it gives a licence for only two dogs to work within that cover, will those dogs get exhausted, which would raise an animal welfare issue? What happens in that instance? What are the practicalities? Do you kill the hounds? What do you do? Are the dogs sent to slaughter? Can we have the absolute raw detail on that, please?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I will ask all my questions in one, but first I want to go back to the definition of a wild mammal. My question is for Barrie Wade. Should the definition be amended to bring in fox and mink? I just want a yes or no answer.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I listened to what was said about the loss of livestock. Do any of the panel members believe that there should be a provision in the bill for compensation in the case that it is not possible to control predators?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I know that the RSPB is evidence led. Are there any provisions in the bill that do not allow the RSPB to take a view in relation to an approach that protects species?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Lastly, for clarification, the RSPB does not use dogs for pest control, where there is no other method for effective control. Is the pest control done purely by shooting? Who does that? I know that the RSPB shoots hundreds of foxes across the United Kingdom every year. How do you actually do that? Do you have contractors?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

As this is an important point, would it be okay to hear from the rest of the panel, convener? Ian Duncan Millar, would you like to say something?