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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Lastly, for clarification, the RSPB does not use dogs for pest control, where there is no other method for effective control. Is the pest control done purely by shooting? Who does that? I know that the RSPB shoots hundreds of foxes across the United Kingdom every year. How do you actually do that? Do you have contractors?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

As this is an important point, would it be okay to hear from the rest of the panel, convener? Ian Duncan Millar, would you like to say something?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

My second question is for Jake Swindells. Has your working group met Màiri McAllan?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We have not really touched on Jake Swindells’s point about resourcing. It is important to recognise the vast land mass in Scotland on which we need to control pests. It is a huge area for NatureScot to cover. If every NatureScot person has to go on farm every 14 days, how many people will that involve, and how many millions of pounds? That is just a comment.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Penny, am I right in saying that the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2021, which the Parliament passed last year, is an avenue for compensation for the loss of livestock?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Is the RSPB signed up to the shared approach?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

On the point that you made about there being an unintended consequence—I believe that I am right in saying that that is what you are implying, Barrie—do you and the rest of the panel believe that it would be right, in an animal welfare sense, for us to look at excluding rabbits from the scope of the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We are short of time, so I am looking for a yes or no answer. Most of you have spoken about the term “under control”. Do you think that that should be revised and that the wording from the Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002 should be used?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

What are your thoughts about NatureScot’s shared approach to wildlife management, which was mentioned in the chamber last week? I asked the minister, Màiri McAllan, about how stakeholders in rural settings who know best, such as our conservation farmers or land managers, could be involved in that approach.

To expand on what I am trying to get at, I should say that I am slightly confused about the approach to wildlife management in relation to ensuring that we protect the endangered, red-list species. In one of its reports, NatureScot said that there will be problems if we carry on the way that we are going in relation to capercaillie decline, so we must think about wildlife management in a different way. That very much speaks to this bill, because there has been a lot of comment in our evidence sessions so far about one group of people being treated in one way and another group being treated in another way, with environmentalists almost being seen as better beings than people who work the land every day. Do you see where I am coming from?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

In the earlier evidence session this morning, the definition of

“management of foxes and mink below ground”

was discussed, and it was suggested that that should be broadened. I do not know whether you agree with that, but perhaps both of you could write to the committee on where you think that the definitions in the bill could be improved.