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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

The subject is quite complicated, is it not? I am wondering why the frequency rate for checks has been set at 30 per cent rather than at one of the standardised rates, which were 3, 5, 10, 50 and 100 per cent. In addition, can you give some examples of any woody plants that are prohibited from coming into the country and are subject to these checks that may affect agriculture?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Thank you. Can I ask the same question of Dr Goddard?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. I will bring in Mr Marsland. First, I will expand the question to incorporate the fact that the licence is almost broken down into two parts: predator control and environmental benefit, which includes ensuring that we increase biodiversity and numbers in wading bird species. We have heard loads of evidence about how the RSPB, for example, controls predators—hundreds of foxes per annum—in order to do that. What are your views on licensing and how it could be practical and workable?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

What do your field investigators do? Do they follow all types of predation control in Scotland, including foot packs and so on?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I asked the question because we are hearing evidence from all sorts of people who are going to be affected by the bill, and we heard last week about some of its possible unintended consequences. It might be useful to look at that evidence if you have time, because it was interesting.

I will press you on a specific area. You say in your report that, if there are fewer than two dogs when flushing, that

“could seriously compromise effective pest control”

in the countryside. How might that observation, which you made in your review of the 2002 act, have a bearing on or lend weight to the argument about the two-dog limit in the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

It is good for the committee to understand the difference between various methods of control with dogs. Are you saying that, from a scientific or evidence-based stance, you still agree with what you concluded about the compromising of effective pest control? At last week’s meeting, Ian Duncan Millar spoke about his experience of foot packs. I cannot remember how many dogs he said that he used, but it might have been 30.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I would like to clarify something, too. Lord Bonomy, you said that alternative forms of predator control should be available. One alternative form, which is relevant to Ariane Burgess’s point, is shooting combined with the use of dogs—lamping, in other words. That can have welfare implications because, if there is not a good line of sight and there is good cover at night time, there is a chance that a fox could be wounded. I am not sure whether I can ask you this but, from your point of view, is one method better than another in terms of welfare?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. Thank you.

I want to follow up what Mr Richards said. You said that you would get back to the committee on a non-native species that is a risk to agriculture. Given all the new competences that we may have for controlling non-native species on the uplands—for example, controlling bracken with Asulam for tick populations—it is important that such products do not affect the spread of ticks, for example.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

This is really difficult to articulate, but the main issue that we are considering is how to have a workable and practical way of controlling predators that protects livestock and ensures the highest possible level of animal welfare. Based on the changes that will be made and on what you said previously, could there be any problems relating to the welfare of foxes?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We have been given sight of your review, which mentions an issue with animal welfare if fewer than two dogs are used.