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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

We could do with more 25-year-olds in Parliament as well.

In the first instance, I am interested in some of the questions around the small business bonus scheme. Rachel Cook, I am interested in your point of view on that. Is there not a credibility issue with the small business bonus scheme, in so far as it is not just small businesses that get it? Shooting estates, which are owned in tax havens and by billionaires, are receiving a tax relief that is, at least in terms of its name, supposed to be for small businesses. Every year, £5 million to £10 million of small business bonus scheme relief goes to shooting estates. Surely the FSB agrees that there needs to be some reform of the system, so that a tax relief that is designed for small businesses goes only to small businesses.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

On the point about looking at the wider picture and not seeing this as a trade-off between the two things that you mentioned, I take it that you will accept that low wages—or wages below the real living wage—have a cost not just to the public purse but to the wider economy, given that a worker earning below the living wage is not going to have much discretionary spending power. They will not have much to spend on fish and chips on a Friday night.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

Thank you—that was useful. You also mentioned the visitor levy as an example of additional regulation. Is your issue about how it is implemented rather than the principle of the levy, or is the FSB opposed to any visitor levy at all?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

But why should tips be included? Workers receive tips directly at the discretion of customers; it is the employer’s responsibility to ensure that staff are, in this case, directly paid a wage that they can at least live on. Administratively speaking, I cannot see how you can bring tips into this, but regardless of that, I cannot see why you would do so as a matter of principle, either. Surely if a business is going to pay its staff at least a liveable wage, it is on that business to do so without relying on the discretion of customers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

Louise Maclean, you mentioned that the Signature Group’s minimum wage is about £13 or £15 an hour, which sounds really positive. I assume that that is a starting salary, whatever the age of the worker. As I think you mentioned in your evidence just a moment ago, your written submission includes an argument that additional non-domestic rates relief for the sector would be effective in terms of tackling poverty and low pay. I assume that the Scottish Hospitality Group would be relaxed if an additional relief was brought in, which was conditional on businesses paying at least the real living wage, regardless of age.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

You have made a very compelling case, for the benefit of the Signature Group’s vacancies page, to anybody who is watching and considering a role in hospitality.

I have a couple of other questions, convener, but I am conscious of the time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

Just so I am completely clear, is the issue at the moment that we are not clear exactly what the barriers in the procurement system are to SMEs—although we can all probably guess and we have plenty of anecdotal evidence—and that, therefore, we need to do that basic data collection first before we come up with policy proposals?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

Yes, I did not want Sandy to feel left out.

Sandy, I am interested in your thoughts on whether the Scottish Government is getting best value for money from things such as grants and public procurement. Quite a lot of money goes out the door to the private sector every year, entirely necessarily, but is the Government doing enough to ensure that the benefits of that stay in the Scottish economy? Naturally, some of that goes towards larger companies, including multinationals—again, unavoidably—but is the Government doing enough through, for example, public procurement mechanisms, to ensure that it is maximising the benefits of that to the Scottish economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ross Greer

You mentioned the impact on SMEs, and I am conscious that Rachel Cook might have something to contribute on that.