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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
Almost everybody else involved in the process agrees that an independent chair is probably the way forward at this stage. I recognise that you have not been in post for long and that you have had a bill that is unrelated to that question, so I am happy to follow up on that issue at a later point.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
I am happy to stick with that topic. Minister, you will remember that much of the stage 2 proceedings on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill hinged on matters of legislative competence in relation to fair work, questions on Office for National Statistics classification and so on.
Having had time to consider the points that Pam Duncan-Glancy and I made, can you share anything at this stage about the Scottish Government’s expectations of the college sector in relation to fair work? I entirely understand the difficulties with universities being independent institutions that are largely publicly funded—in some cases, overwhelmingly so. Colleges are public bodies, and many of their staff feel that management in the college sector is not held to the same fair work standards as management everywhere else in the public sector. Will you lay out what exactly the Scottish Government expects of college management when it comes to fair work?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
To focus my question a bit more, my challenge to you is this: how confident are you that the work that you have commissioned will not go the same way as the 2014 tackling bureaucracy report and just sit on a shelf, and that, in 10 years, we will not all lament that it was never implemented and say, “Society has moved on, so we need another working group and another consultation”?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
No. I am content to move on.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
Cabinet secretary, can you set out what the Scottish Government has done in this parliamentary session to reduce teachers’ workload, particularly in relation to bureaucracy?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
I absolutely agree that the key to reducing teachers’ workload is the reduction of class contact. I welcome the proposals that you have set out—I think that they are pretty ambitious—but it is impossible to imagine that ambition being realised without substantial additional resource. What I am concerned about in the here and now is the unnecessary bureaucracy that teachers are still having to wade through, which it would not require additional recruitment or a significant amount of resource to reduce. As you have heard me say previously, the Scottish Government and local authorities could save money by tackling that bureaucracy. It has now been just over a decade since the tackling bureaucracy report was produced, but a substantial number of the recommendations in that report have not been implemented.
With respect, it sounds as though you are struggling to come up with an example of something that the Scottish Government has done during the current parliamentary session to reduce teachers’ bureaucracy workload.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
As tempted as I am to get into a debate around education governance—I agree that having 32 different ways of doing it is not working—going down that path would be a huge piece of work that would take a number of years. Are there not things that can be done here and now?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
Cabinet secretary, I recognise that you have a recusal in relation to the Promise.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
It is our union colleagues who do not want an independent chair, so I expect that they probably would not have been pressing the point.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Ross Greer
I appreciate that. We had lengthy on-the-record debates at stage 2, and we will also have them ahead of stage 3, so I will not press you with questions on the particulars of the bill.
One long-running issue is the National Joint Negotiating Committee structure and the question of an independent chair. You have rightly observed that industrial relations seem to have improved. We have gone through almost a decade of having national industrial action every year. To put it one way, there were clearly profound interpersonal problems at the NJNC. One of the key recommendations from the “Lessons Learned” report was to establish an independent chair. Employers were happier with that recommendation than the unions were, as has been much discussed in the Parliament. It is not the only potential reform that could be made. Are you able to say anything at this point about the Government’s intentions to take forward in full—or as close to full as you can—that report’s recommendations on the NJNC, whether they be those for an independent chair or its other recommendations?