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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ross Greer

I have a question for Dr McGeorge. In answer to Mr Adam’s question on culture, Peter Fotheringham quite fairly made the point that cultures are developed by many people, not just one person, but, when George Adam pressed you on that point, you reflected that the issue was about the culture that was established by Professor Gillespie. He will be able to answer that point when we see him tomorrow, but, as one of the most senior and most powerful individuals in the university for a prolonged period of time, do you take any responsibility for what sounds like a pretty toxic culture?

11:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ross Greer

Hold on a minute, Jim, because it is not about just perception. You acknowledged a minute ago that it was more than perception—you said that there was actually a problem with the culture of the organisation.

I am asking you whether you—as arguably the second most powerful individual in the institution for a prolonged period of time—take your share of responsibility for that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks. We will be take that up with Professor Gillespie tomorrow.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

I have another question, which is on industrial relations, but if Wayne Powell wants to come in first, that would be great.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

That is really useful—thank you.

I will condense my second question, which is on industrial relations in the college sector and which we could talk about all morning. I am interested in your thoughts on National Joint Negotiating Committee reform and the lessons that have been learned from the exercises that we have been through. There have been a number of exercises that have reflected on the NJNC structure, process and outcomes. In the latest exercise, there was a really long delay to get collective responses, and there has not been much progress since then.

I am interested in any brief reflections, not on why everything has happened, but on how we can move forward. Would structural reforms to the NJNC help, or are the issues that would ease the industrial relations challenges separate to that? Ultimately, it is about finances, but I am interested in the machinery of industrial relations and whether improvements could be made.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

There is a significant amount of money in the system to fund apprenticeships. I would be interested to hear the position of principals and institution leaders. Is there a better-value way to deploy that money, whether through reform of the relationship with managing agents or through more direct funding? Andy Witty has laid out the sector’s position, which is that that is best done through the SFC.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

Is that because of a lack of unanimity from everyone who would need to be around the table?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks very much. Unless anybody else is particularly keen to come in, I am happy to leave it there, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

Good morning, everyone. As part of the committee’s evidence taking on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill, one of the more controversial bits of evidence—as you will probably have heard—was when one of the managing agents for apprenticeships confirmed that they take a 40 per cent cut of apprenticeship funding. That came after the college sector had given evidence on the bill.

Although we are now finished with hearing stage 1 evidence on that bill—and today’s discussion will not contribute to our report on it—it would still be useful to have on the record the position of colleges on how money in the apprenticeship system is best used. I would specifically like to hear your reaction to the confirmation that managing agents are taking a 40 per cent cut. There have been suggestions that it might be as high as 60 per cent in some cases.

I will start with Andy Witty for a sectorwide position.

10:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Ross Greer

I see that Vicki Nairn and Joanna Campbell want to come in, and they should feel free to do so. For the sake of time, I will condense my second question, because I think that the discussion is useful.