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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Ross Greer

One reason why we are hosting this session is the correspondence that committee members received from university staff—UCU members—back in the spring about their working conditions. Given that national bargaining takes place UK wide, how can we improve conditions for university staff in Scotland through Scottish Government initiatives or directly at an institutional level?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Ross Greer

Is there time for a response on reserves from Ellie Gomersall?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Ross Greer

I have one final question for Professor Boyne. You will have heard in the previous evidence session discussion around my questions to the panel about working conditions in universities, so it is only fair that you have the opportunity to lay out Universities Scotland’s position on that issue. Why is there a relatively high prevalence of casualisation, zero-hours contracts, short-term contracts and so on in the sector?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

I am interested in following up on what Stephen Smellie said. I found Unison’s submission really helpful, in that the committee has a whole range of organisations that come to us wanting more spending in the areas that they prioritise, but very few folk are willing to come with proposals on how to raise additional money to pay for that or what to cut from elsewhere to do that.

That said, as much as I think that Unison’s revenue-raising proposals are deliverable and could produce tangible results, even if they were collectively maximised, they would not raise enough money to match the spending commitments that Unison is looking for. Therefore, I am interested in the union’s view on prioritisation. Is the priority free school meals? Is it increasing NHS funding? Is it keeping public sector pay in line with inflation? How should Parliament prioritise spending in a context in which, at least in the short term—over the next two to three years—we certainly cannot do everything on your spending list all at once.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Yes. The national care service is a good example. I would maybe not share Unison’s view on that, but it is a tangible example. However, there is a lot of other stuff in the submission that ticks the boxes that Stephen Smellie outlined as priorities, such as free school meals. I presume that Unison has a main focus on increasing funding for further and higher education not just in the interest of equity for students, but because there are substantial numbers of low-paid workers in those sectors.

How can we prioritise between different areas of spending that would all raise the wages of low-paid workers, lift children out of poverty and so on? We cannot do all the things at once. That is the issue that we have. Should free school meals, public sector pay, more funding for colleges or more funding for universities be prioritised? I realise that, in principle, in a utopian world, it should not be a matter of choosing between those things, but it will certainly be a matter of choices in the next few years. We will have to make the choices, but I am keen to know what the trade union movement’s priorities would be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

At its core, it is the same question about prioritisation. Some of the tax proposals in Unison’s submission would require primary legislation, as they involve new tax powers. Given that the legislative timetable for the next couple of years is pretty tight, which of the brand-new proposals—the local inheritance tax or the replacement of council tax—would you prioritise for parliamentary and Government time?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Thank you. I would be happy to come back in later, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Yes, we can put that away until later—that is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

Thanks.

I have one very brief follow-up question for David Lonsdale. David, you made an interesting remark about your opposition to income tax rises for those of modest income. Can I push you a little bit and ask you to define “modest income”? Are we talking about the cleaners on 18 grand whom Stephen Smellie mentioned, somebody on an average salary in the mid-20s or folk on 40 grand who, with fiscal drag, are heading towards being hit with the high income tax rate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Ross Greer

I want to jump back to something that Clare Reid said a couple of moments ago. She listed areas, particularly in enterprise and skills, where public spending will be reduced over the next couple of years. I do not think that anybody will pretend that that is a good thing, but the SCDI is also against any new business taxes and opposed not only to increasing income tax but to having fiscal drag through keeping income tax rates as they are. If there are areas where you are looking to increase spending and there is new revenue, the conclusion must be that there are areas of public spending elsewhere that you would deprioritise. Could you expand on that a little bit? Otherwise, I am not sure how to resolve your tax position and the spending priorities that you have outlined.

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