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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Ross Greer

I am conscious that I was asking a supplementary question, convener, but can I just ask one more follow-up question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Ross Greer

That was useful. Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Ross Greer

The point about the Government’s potential to introduce emergency legislation if the existing legislation is not sufficient was part of our discussion with the previous panel about the importance of parliamentary scrutiny and wider public scrutiny of legislation. Those of us who were there at the time were quite proud of the process that we undertook for last year’s two bills. Emergency legislation vastly limits the opportunities for both parliamentary and public scrutiny—indeed, both your organisations had very limited opportunities to contribute to those pieces of legislation. Is it not a better process to proceed through the use of legislation that is not emergency and time-limited legislation, so that parliamentarians and organisations like yours can thoroughly scrutinise and amend it if necessary? Is that not a preferable approach to an emergency one?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Ross Greer

Another point that you have quite rightly made is that, in legislating on a permanent basis in areas such as human rights, we need to think of not just the current Government or the current composition of the Parliament; we need to think that anyone could be in power in the future. Does that not equally apply to the other organisations that we are talking about?

We discussed with the previous panel the fact that there was very good partnership working with universities, colleges, student accommodation providers and so on last time round. We cannot guarantee that the next time round, but we can guarantee that Governments will always be held accountable by the Parliament and, ultimately, the public. However, it is much harder to hold to account a private provider of student accommodation, particularly in an emergency situation. If it is about a balance of where the power lies, is it not better to have that power with a democratically accountable Government rather than a private accommodation provider, even when we do not know who the individuals will be and what their motivations might be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Ross Greer

On the back of her response to the convener’s initial questions, I would like Mirren Kelly to expand on a couple of points in COSLA’s written submission.

You have been critical of the lack of data on and drivers for the key priorities in the RSR. I presume that the data and drivers are the indicators in the NPF and the data that underpins them. Is your criticism about the lack of clarity over whether that is indeed the case or about the indicators and the data that underpins them in the NPF being insufficient to fulfil that role?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Ross Greer

Again, you mention that the framework as a whole does not reflect the reality of the past 10 to 12 years and the pressures that the public sector has faced over that period. Were you looking for a framework that better reflected that? Is COSLA looking for more about the narrative and the rhetoric to acknowledge that reality or do you think that some specific points are missing that would have better reflected that? In other words, is it that you do not feel that the Government has acknowledged that reality, and are there specific changes that you would make to better acknowledge it in the review?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Ross Greer

Absolutely.

In preparing options for the budget or questions about a draft as it stands, has a councillor ever directly referenced the national performance framework indicators? Have you ever been asked how something contributes towards a certain indicator or is the discussion at local level entirely based on the strategy for Fife that you have just mentioned? I am not criticising councillors or council officers, by the way—I am just trying to get an understanding of whether the NPF informs day-to-day discussion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Ross Greer

COSLA’s submission also makes some criticism of the NPF goals and the need to improve the mechanism for assessing whether we are reaching them, saying that that should be integral to the spending review instead of

“some high-level numbers which are limited in their usefulness”

being set out. Can you clarify which high-level numbers you are referring to? Again, is that a criticism of the NPF indicators?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Ross Greer

Eileen, you have mentioned that, like every other local authority and, indeed, the Scottish Parliament itself, you have just gone through your budget-setting process. How much of a role does the NPF play at council officer level in that process? Are the NPF indicators part of your day-to-day discussions when you prepare options for councillors?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Ross Greer

Thank you—I look forward to seeing that.