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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

I listened carefully to what you said, Deputy First Minister. Because of the passage of time, it will not be immediately obvious how some short-term placements came about. Through my constituency work, I am aware of families that are really struggling, and it is often social workers, healthcare workers or other Government-funded professionals who step in and suggest that they should think about respite to avoid going down a different route and as a way of giving the family a chance to reset.

I wonder about the detail of some of the cases. I cannot imagine that accessing short-term placements was necessarily presented as a choice to all parents. What would happen in such circumstances? How would you weigh that up?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

It is important to note, as a point of fact, that there are survivors who continue to have concerns in this area. I do not propose that the committee make any further comment in that regard, but it is important to put that on the record.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

That is helpful. It will not fully satisfy everyone, but it is a step forward from where discussions were previously.

On the issue of seeking an enhanced payment, will those individuals who found themselves in that situation be entitled to the same advice and support as anyone else who accesses the scheme? Will they be able to seek some basic legal advice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

I recognise the policy reasons for the Government going down that route, but I still think that there will be a number of cases where orders are not progressed because families had taken advantage of short-term placements. Sometimes those were repeat placements, and individuals could have been subject to multiple, repeated incidents. It is a wee bit complicated in places, but I am happy to accept the explanation that has been given.

However, my real question is why you went down the exclusionary route and did not opt for a model that would allow each individual case to be considered. It is legitimate to be clear about the limits of the scheme and what the expectations are, but my point is about creating a space for people with exceptional circumstances, such as multiple short-term placements with the same abuser over a number of years. Such placements were probably encouraged by the state. Why would there not be provision for those people to have their individual circumstances looked at? Why did you go down the route of exclusion?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

I will leave it there, convener. I appreciate the further detail.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

I was on the committee that considered the bill, and there is no doubt that the situation is extremely challenging and complex. Is there an update on the criteria for determining what is a “fair and meaningful” contribution to the waiver scheme?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

I have a question on a separate point, which I have raised previously. I would like to understand what would happen if a survivor initially signed the waiver and received a payment through the redress scheme but additional substantive evidence then came to light that would have changed the level of award through the scheme or given the individual the chance to go through the civil process. If they signed the waiver, would that be the end of it, or are there provisions that would allow the situation to be looked at again?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Session 6 Priorities

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

A national newspaper had an advance draft of the education recovery plan on 14 August. Given that the plan is so uninspiring, why was its publication held back to yesterday? I ask you bluntly: have you given up on serious reform of Scottish education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Session 6 Priorities

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

The committee might have expected that the plan would have been ready for schools going back in August, not published in October the day before you came to the committee. However, I will move on and let other members come in.