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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

It was interesting to hear you dismiss the percentage of pupils who leave school early. Given that they are often the individuals who have been most let down by the school system, do you not think that they have the right to sit for an externally assessed qualification before the education system gives up on them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

I just think that it is about recognising that successful learners are the people who go on to be active contributors and to make important decisions in our society. If we were to stop helping people to gain the qualifications that they need to break through the barriers that exist, that would be sad. That is what has been so powerful about Scottish education across the best part of a century.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

The difference is about external assessment and the validity that comes from that. I will leave it there. I do not want to dominate the discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

That is reassuring. The sector will be worried about the timing and the vulnerability of a number of settings, but I accept that you work to the timescale that you have.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

I have a question on the 1,140 hours workforce. You have covered the matter extensively previously, but I continue to hear about concerns from the private, voluntary and independent sector that it is not able to recruit early learning and childcare workers and that people who work in that sector are often displaced into the local authority sector. Is that still a risk to the success of the policy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

You recognise that there is a tension between a policy objective to give headteachers autonomy and a group of headteachers not being enabled to take decisions in relation to their pupils. There is a tension between the policy objective of equity funding and, because of where the threshold is set, that opportunity not being available in all schools.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

That is helpful. I wonder whether you have reflected on a point that is linked to the point that Mr Ewing made. There is a small group of predominantly smaller rural schools that tend to end up being ineligible for any of those funds and, anecdotally, headteachers in those schools say—I think that most reasonable people would accept that this is the case—that there is significant poverty, deprivation and exclusion from opportunities in rural areas. The headteachers of those schools do not have the opportunity to ensure the provision of educational equity for their pupils. Is that something that you would look at when considering the success of a policy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

That is helpful. I have a question about college funding, which is an issue that other members have brought up. You have said that the college sector has not experienced the same unpredictability as the university sector. However, there is a long-standing feeling in the college sector that it has not had the same funding flexibility and that, over time, that makes it more difficult for colleges to make strategic decisions. If colleges are under significant financial pressure from day to day, it is more difficult for them to reshape matters. Do you accept that, given the Covid pandemic, it is not fair to expect colleges to react nimbly and quickly when they do not have the funding capacity or reserves to reconfigure their offer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Oliver Mundell

We have already heard that more than £1 billion of taxpayers’ money has been put into the pupil equity funding scheme. You have talked a lot about the importance of being clear about the policy objectives. On a number of occasions, the Scottish Government has attempted to position the policy as being about giving headteachers greater autonomy at the same time as enhancing equity. Have you reflected on that and on whether it is possible for one policy to have two different aims?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Oliver Mundell

Thank you. Would you be open to sharing the advanced drafts with the committee, to allow us to see where the discussions have got to? As you point out, the contributions are key to confidence in the scheme. It is difficult to find the right word to describe the arrangement, but one of the trade-offs in going down the redress route is that people should have confidence that the contributions are meaningful.